on_one_wheel wrote:After all police are concidered as cops even after hours.
Norton wrote:JC102 wrote:It's ridiculous that police can't take their firearms home. We trust them on-duty, why not off?
It's not about that at all, it's the hypocrisy of the situation.
As law abiding citizens we're trusted with firearms for hunting or target shooting, and to not do the wrong thing with them.
As on-duty police officers they're trusted with using their service firearm appropriately.
Both fair enough...
When we go home however, we are not allowed to defend ourselves in our own homes with those firearms against someone who's made a conscience decision to unlawfully break into our house with who know's what intentions.
If someone is breaking in to our homes while we're there, we're expected to make a phone call and wait for someone else to come and protect us.
If that's good enough for us, it should be good enough for cops at home too.
If it's not good enough for them, it's not good enough for us.
Tonit wrote:Really? Where does the whole on duty/off duty thing come from then?
Or have I see too many movies and not enough reality... ?
on_one_wheel wrote:They are cops in the eyes of scum bags whether on duty or off duty, go ahead and make yourself a target for outlaw biker gangs and see how safe you feel.
They don't care if you're on or off.
on_one_wheel wrote:Bring on the R4 .223 carbines and give police a year round open seson to hunt outlaw bikers. People are talking about home defence... surely random home invasion isnt that much of a problem here in Australia ?
on_one_wheel wrote:Bring on the R4 .223 carbines and give police a year round open seson to hunt outlaw bikers. People are talking about home defence...
Warrigul wrote:It really sucks if the victim is yourself or a family member.
Warrigul wrote:on_one_wheel wrote:Bring on the R4 .223 carbines and give police a year round open seson to hunt outlaw bikers. People are talking about home defence... surely random home invasion isnt that much of a problem here in Australia ?
What rock do you live under? There have been at least six that readily come to mind this year, in every case the Police arrived AFTER the fact. In all the cases except the one where that sixty year old in Sydney was beaten unconscious and not discovered for 24 hours they arrived within less than an hour but until they did arrive the victims were without any form of defence. A home invasion is not headlines unless someone dies or they need a human interest story as the rest of the news is quiet.
Stilll we hear that defence is not a legitimate reason to have a firearm but the government is unable to defend its people, I don't consider Police arriving after the fact to take a statement and try and track down the criminal as defence, only post event management. It really sucks if the victim is yourself or a family member.
If it is adequete for the average joe to have to wait for a cop and deny them firearms for defence then it is hypocrisy for a cop to be allowed firearms for the very same purpose.
There is no evidence to say they are targeted any more than Judges, lawyers etc etc. If they feel threatened then get another job..
As far as declaring an open season on Outlaw bikers then pull your head in.
JC102 wrote:Have a listen to the police radio online sometime. It can be interesting to say the least.
Kaine wrote:The thing that hasn't come up yet, is escalation, cops get better guns, so the crims follow suit.
The biggest reason why I am against this move, is that I don't trust cops, whether on or off duty. This is not against anyone in particular, if you are a cop reading this, good for you. But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people. Though in this day and age they really only protect and serve politicians.
Don't get me wrong, I have met some fine police officers in my time, but I have also met quite a few that should never have been allowed on the force. Those are the ones I am worried about, one day when the bubble bursts, or the stress gets too much, something bad is gonna happen. It usually does.
Don't worry, even I think I am paranoid.
Kaine wrote:But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people.
Aster wrote:Kaine wrote:But when you consider that if you wish to join one of the armed forces, you mast pass a psychological evaluation. Cops do not, and these are the people that are supposed to be protecting and serving the people.
Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Surely there is some sort of 'psych profile' as part of becoming a fully fledged officer?
Kaine wrote:Though the ADF has you sit down with a shrink on your assessment session.