250 savage

[bigrich]

Hey fellas, just wondering if anyone on here is playing with the 250 savage. I’ve got an idea for a dual purpose rifle. One I can use in classic caliber class comp at my local range with mild/accurate loads, then dose it up with 87’s for feral control. Necking up 22-250 brass to keep things cheap is a consideration.
Opinions fella’s ?

[bigpete]

Do it. Do it now. Lol

[bigrich]

Do it. Do it now. Lol

Your like in the old cartoons where there’s an angel on one shoulder, and a devil on the other, whispering in my ears. Thank Christ I’m not asking for opinions on 375 H&H…..lol . Ballistic wise the bob is better, but the mild velocity of the 250 means my barrel won’t heat up quickly during a comp and necking up from 22-250 is simple compared to making bob brass.

[bigpete]

The bob is a bit better but the savage is just plain good. Still thinking of converting my 22-250 to one with open sights and a 20 or 22 inch barrel

[bigrich]

The bob is a bit better but the savage is just plain good. Still thinking of converting my 22-250 to one with open sights and a 20 or 22 inch barrel

i think a rifle in 22-250 doesn't have enough mag length for the 250.not a problem in some rifles like the rem 700 . just change out the mag box/follower . i was thinking of re-barreling a 243 . a old parker hale maybe
24" barrel for me . free velocity without having to push pressure . my 25" barrel 308 musgrave has proved that to me . damn thing balances beautifully for offhand shooting too. i've considered the 25 souper , but the 250 savage (or bob) is pre 1936 which meets the criteria for comp rules . the 25-308 souper doesn't give up much to the 25-06 , but the lack of high BC projectiles holds things back . but apparently there's a 131gn high BC projectile in the states that's just come out for the latest craze . 25 creedmoor . more speed than the 6.5CM, better barrel life than the 6mm CM . it's a efficient case with good shoulder . there's also been ackleyed versions of the souper and the 250 which sound good . but to keep it simple with dies and brass , i reckon a standard 250 savage would do me

[bigpete]

The bob is a bit better but the savage is just plain good. Still thinking of converting my 22-250 to one with open sights and a 20 or 22 inch barrel

i think a rifle in 22-250 doesn't have enough mag length for the 250.not a problem in some rifles like the rem 700 . just change out the mag box/follower . i was thinking of re-barreling a 243 . a old parker hale maybe
24" barrel for me . free velocity without having to push pressure . my 25" barrel 308 musgrave has proved that to me . damn thing balances beautifully for offhand shooting too. i've considered the 25 souper , but the 250 savage (or bob) is pre 1936 which meets the criteria for comp rules . the 25-308 souper doesn't give up much to the 25-06 , but the lack of high BC projectiles holds things back . but apparently there's a 131gn high BC projectile in the states that's just come out for the latest craze . 25 creedmoor . more speed than the 6.5CM, better barrel life than the 6mm CM . it's a efficient case with good shoulder . there's also been ackleyed versions of the souper and the 250 which sound good . but to keep it simple with dies and brass , i reckon a standard 250 savage would do me

It can fit full sized 308 in it so I'm not sure where you get that info from tbh

[deye243]

Hey fellas, just wondering if anyone on here is playing with the 250 savage. I’ve got an idea for a dual purpose rifle. One I can use in classic caliber class comp at my local range with mild/accurate loads, then dose it up with 87’s for feral control. Necking up 22-250 brass to keep things cheap is a consideration.
Opinions fella’s ?

Have you got dies rich

[GQshayne]

From memory, isn't the case capacity a bit on the low side for 87gn projectiles??? It would be only moderate velocity I would have thought compared to .243 etc.

Depends what you want it to do I suppose.

[bigpete]

From memory, isn't the case capacity a bit on the low side for 87gn projectiles??? It would be only moderate velocity I would have thought compared to .243 etc.

Depends what you want it to do I suppose.

Should get 3000fps out of them. That was its original selling point

[bigrich]

Hey fellas, just wondering if anyone on here is playing with the 250 savage. I’ve got an idea for a dual purpose rifle. One I can use in classic caliber class comp at my local range with mild/accurate loads, then dose it up with 87’s for feral control. Necking up 22-250 brass to keep things cheap is a consideration.
Opinions fella’s ?

Have you got dies rich

Not as yet mate. Still mulling over this idea. Posted on this forum to get opinions and whether there’s any negatives I haven’t considered.

[bigrich]

From memory, isn't the case capacity a bit on the low side for 87gn projectiles??? It would be only moderate velocity I would have thought compared to .243 etc.

Depends what you want it to do I suppose.

As a general hack and distance culling cartridge, 243 is very practical. My original post was to have an accurate, mild recoiling, cheap to feed cartridge for a comp at my local range where the cartridge must be commercialised/designed before 1936 . The 250 savage gets along quite well . Pretty well much equals 303-25 , and that killed a ton of ferals over the years. I’d consider the 303-25. But forming brass is easier for the 250 and I can fit it in a wide variety of bolt guns

[bigrich]

The bob is a bit better but the savage is just plain good. Still thinking of converting my 22-250 to one with open sights and a 20 or 22 inch barrel

i think a rifle in 22-250 doesn't have enough mag length for the 250.not a problem in some rifles like the rem 700 . just change out the mag box/follower . i was thinking of re-barreling a 243 . a old parker hale maybe
24" barrel for me . free velocity without having to push pressure . my 25" barrel 308 musgrave has proved that to me . damn thing balances beautifully for offhand shooting too. i've considered the 25 souper , but the 250 savage (or bob) is pre 1936 which meets the criteria for comp rules . the 25-308 souper doesn't give up much to the 25-06 , but the lack of high BC projectiles holds things back . but apparently there's a 131gn high BC projectile in the states that's just come out for the latest craze . 25 creedmoor . more speed than the 6.5CM, better barrel life than the 6mm CM . it's a efficient case with good shoulder . there's also been ackleyed versions of the souper and the 250 which sound good . but to keep it simple with dies and brass , i reckon a standard 250 savage would do me

It can fit full sized 308 in it so I'm not sure where you get that info from tbh

I guess I was thinking of push feed model 70’s I’ve had where the mag and follower were cartridge specific. What make is your rifle Pete?

[bigpete]

Weatherby vanguard.

[deye243]

Hey fellas, just wondering if anyone on here is playing with the 250 savage. I’ve got an idea for a dual purpose rifle. One I can use in classic caliber class comp at my local range with mild/accurate loads, then dose it up with 87’s for feral control. Necking up 22-250 brass to keep things cheap is a consideration.
Opinions fella’s ?

Have you got dies rich

Not as yet mate. Still mulling over this idea. Posted on this forum to get opinions and whether there’s any negatives I haven’t considered.

Let me know if you go ahead , I have some

[bigrich]

Hey fellas, just wondering if anyone on here is playing with the 250 savage. I’ve got an idea for a dual purpose rifle. One I can use in classic caliber class comp at my local range with mild/accurate loads, then dose it up with 87’s for feral control. Necking up 22-250 brass to keep things cheap is a consideration.
Opinions fella’s ?

Have you got dies rich

Not as yet mate. Still mulling over this idea. Posted on this forum to get opinions and whether there’s any negatives I haven’t considered.

Let me know if you go ahead , I have some

That’d be great mate. What brand are they? A oval expander ball is what’s needed. I found that out when making 358 win brass

[deye243]

It would be a good cal for what you want it for as you won't have to worry about throat erosion like a 243w and such .
The dies are rcbs and a bonaza bench rest set so they don't have the expander you want but you might be able to get one from the importer ?

[bigrich]

It would be a good cal for what you want it for as you won't have to worry about throat erosion like a 243w and such .
The dies are rcbs and a bonaza bench rest set so they don't have the expander you want but you might be able to get one from the importer ?

the 243 is a good "working" caliber , especially if you just want to buy factory ammo and go kill sh!t but yeah , barrel life in a 250 would be great . building up heat in barrels during comps irks me . i've seen guys use 243's in feild rifle comps wonder why they start flinging rounds everywhere after a dozen quick rounds

i've been searching the web on info on the 250 , and it can be dosed up a bit in a strong bolt action . 3000FPS with 100's supposedly . i'd get the throat of the chamber 35-50 longer and seat out for more case capacity . probably should dummy up a case with a 85speer seated to the bottom of the neck and see how that looks.
what are your thoughts on case forming ? some say resize 22-250 brass and shoot , others say size up the neck to 7mm then FLS with 250 dies to form a false shoulder at the base of the neck for correct head spacing . still others advocate resizing 6.5CM with a FLS 250 die and trim

PM me regarding your dies prices please . cheers

[Blr243]

Rebels have new Remington brass 90 bucks for 50 cases. That’s not too bad reslly for an un common calibre. Might save u slot of stuffing about

[bigrich]

Rebels have new Remington brass 90 bucks for 50 cases. That’s not too bad reslly for an un common calibre. Might save u slot of stuffing about

thanks for the tip mate . i regularly check rebel , and they haven't had any 250 savage brass for a little while. i've just checked and nothing in stock unfortunately

[deye243]

All ways neck down as necking up will lead to donuts because you are moving thicker shoulder brass into the neck area .
Making cases is a PITA but if I had to I would be doing the 6.5 .
Now donuts aren't a problem if the base of the pill doesn't reach the shoulder neck Junction but if it dose it can spike pressure or worse gall the locking lungs.

[Billo]

From memory, isn't the case capacity a bit on the low side for 87gn projectiles??? It would be only moderate velocity I would have thought compared to .243 etc.

Depends what you want it to do I suppose.

had no problem running 100gr BT at 3240fps from my Sako 250 Savage, sold it in a moment of madness, would put 5 under 10mm

[bigpete]

All ways neck down as necking up will lead to donuts because you are moving thicker shoulder brass into the neck area .
Making cases is a PITA but if I had to I would be doing the 6.5 .
Now donuts aren't a problem if the base of the pill doesn't reach the shoulder neck Junction but if it dose it can spike pressure or worse gall the locking lungs.

What do you mean donuts ? I've necked up heaps of 308 and 30-06 to .358,even did 22-250 to .358 for s**ts and giggles. Never had any issues ?

[bigrich]

All ways neck down as necking up will lead to donuts because you are moving thicker shoulder brass into the neck area .
Making cases is a PITA but if I had to I would be doing the 6.5 .
Now donuts aren't a problem if the base of the pill doesn't reach the shoulder neck Junction but if it dose it can spike pressure or worse gall the locking lungs.

What do you mean donuts ? I've necked up heaps of 308 and 30-06 to .358,even did 22-250 to .358 for s**ts and giggles. Never had any issues ?

i had no issues making 358 brass either . my reworked brass shot the same as proper head stamped starline brass . donuts however were a real problem in my 8x60s brno

[bigrich]

From memory, isn't the case capacity a bit on the low side for 87gn projectiles??? It would be only moderate velocity I would have thought compared to .243 etc.

Depends what you want it to do I suppose.

had no problem running 100gr BT at 3240fps from my Sako 250 Savage, sold it in a moment of madness, would put 5 under 10mm

i've been reading about people getting this sort of performance out of the 250 . it's a very efficient design apparently

[deye243]

All ways neck down as necking up will lead to donuts because you are moving thicker shoulder brass into the neck area .
Making cases is a PITA but if I had to I would be doing the 6.5 .
Now donuts aren't a problem if the base of the pill doesn't reach the shoulder neck Junction but if it dose it can spike pressure or worse gall the locking lungs.

What do you mean donuts ? I've necked up heaps of 308 and 30-06 to .358,even did 22-250 to .358 for s**ts and giggles. Never had any issues ?

Google is your friend they will have diagrams better than I can explain

[SCJ429]

Nothing a bit of neck turning won’t fix.

[deye243]

Nothing a bit of neck turning won’t fix.

It's bad enough forming cases without the laborious act of neck turning not to mention the expensive cost of tools worth having that rarely get used .

[Blr243]

If the donut is pushed back out towards the outer case as the expander ball is drawn up when sizing , do we then have ok internal dimensions and no unnecessary potential pressure spike ftom too much bullet grip , or does chambering the round push that donut tight against the bullet ?

[Blr243]

I might just learn something tonight

[Blr243]

I might just learn something tonight