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Owning multiple pistols under NSW Firearms Act

Post by Rider888 » 23 Nov 2017, 4:45 am

Is anyone able to shed some light as to why this paragraph is in the Firearms Act in relation to the 2nd 6 months of the PPL?

"you must not possess a centrefire and rimfire pistol at the same time - section 31(3C) of the Firearms Act 1996."

I dont understand it enough to know why it's an issue to say buy a 9mm Centerfire and also a .22 pistol Rimfire

Any advice would be great.

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Post by sungazer » 23 Nov 2017, 6:55 am

Because during the second six months you may only own one gun. It can be either a cetre fire or a rimfire. But as you are only allowed one it cannot be both.
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Post by Trents57 » 23 Nov 2017, 7:03 am

In NSW in the second 6 months of your PPL you can possess 2 handguns. The main restriction is that you cannot own a centrefire and a rimfire, You can have 2 rimfire ; or 2 centrefire ; or an air Pistol and a rimfire ; or an air Pistol and a centrefire ; or a blackpowder with a rimfire or ; blackpowder and centrefire.
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Post by Rider888 » 23 Nov 2017, 7:17 am

sungazer wrote:Because during the second six months you may only own one gun. It can be either a cetre fire or a rimfire. But as you are only allowed one it cannot be both.


Here is the writing that states you can own 2 pistols during your PPL;

During the second six months you may acquire no more than two pistols, any one of which is:
* A centrefire pistol, or
* A rimfire pistol with a calibre of no more than .22 inch, or
* An air pistol with a calibre of no more than .177 inch, or
* A black powder pistol.
However, you must not possess a centrefire and rimfire pistol at the same time - section 31(3C) of the Firearms Act
1996.
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Post by Wylie27 » 23 Nov 2017, 8:00 am

Because they want to make it hard for us pistol shooters.

Nothing more and nothing less.

As you are new, you will discover that the legislation rarely makes sense, its been written buly people who have no idea about firearms and these same people generally hate firearms.

When you see something that makes no sense refer to the above paragraph :(
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Post by Rider888 » 23 Nov 2017, 8:05 am

Wylie27 wrote:Because they want to make it hard for us pistol shooters.

Nothing more and nothing less.

As you are new, you will discover that the legislation rarely makes sense, its been written buly people who have no idea about firearms and these same people generally hate firearms.

When you see something that makes no sense refer to the above paragraph :(


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Post by bentaz » 23 Nov 2017, 8:10 am

Sad but true with most firearms legislation.
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Post by Rider888 » 23 Nov 2017, 8:17 am

Such a shame. I was looking forward to buying my first 9mm and .22 pistols :(
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Post by Wylie27 » 23 Nov 2017, 8:24 am

Yeah it sucks. Its stupid and makes no sense.

Luckily i didnt have to go through the PPL process last year. I got to go straight to my full licence. Previously held a cat h. So the far gave me dispensation. Just had to join a club and go through the training
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Post by Daddybang » 23 Nov 2017, 9:10 am

Wylie27 wrote:Because they want to make it hard for us pistol shooters.

Nothing more and nothing less.

As you are new, you will discover that the legislation rarely makes sense, its been written buly people who have no idea about firearms and these same people generally hate firearms.

When you see something that makes no sense refer to the above paragraph :(


Dead right!!! Trying to make sense of firearms legislation/regulations will just give ya a bad headache!!! :lol: :lol: :drinks:
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Post by Wobble » 28 Nov 2017, 8:16 am

Rider888 wrote:Is anyone able to shed some light as to why this paragraph is in the Firearms Act in relation to the 2nd 6 months of the PPL?

"you must not possess a centrefire and rimfire pistol at the same time - section 31(3C) of the Firearms Act 1996."


You need to read the whole sections of the act when you want to know something, mate. Taking one line out of context isn't going to give you the right answer.

I don't know where you got that particular quote from either actually, as that's not what it says in the act, unless you were paraphrasing?

This is quoted from section 31 of the NSW Act.

(3B)In the case of a person who is the holder of a probationary pistol licence, and without limiting subsections (3) and (3A), the Commissioner:

(a)during the initial probationary period referred to in section 16A (2)—must not issue a permit authorising the person to acquire any kind of pistol, and

(b)during the remainder of the term of the licence—may only issue a total of 2 permits authorising the person to acquire no more than 2 pistols, any one of which (subject to subsection (3C)) is:

(i) a centrefire pistol, or
(ii) a rimfire pistol with a calibre of no more than .22 inch, or
(iii) an air pistol with a calibre of no more than .177 inch, or
(iv) a black powder pistol.

(3C) However, nothing in subsection (3B) (b) authorises the holder of a probationary pistol licence to possess a centrefire pistol and a rimfire pistol at the same time.


Gotta read the whole thing (as convoluted as it can sometimes be).
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Post by bullzeye » 28 Nov 2017, 11:28 am

This section of the legislation doesn't make much sense to LAFOs. It would be good if the FAR could explain.

You just have to wait till you are on your full Cat H then you can buy whatever combination of calibre you wish.
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Post by pomemax » 28 Nov 2017, 12:35 pm

OR and its a big OR you could buy a 9mm and then get a conversion kit that lets you to fire .22 for economy used to be you did not need a pta for conversion kit but once you add it to the 9mm frame the 22 kit you have a .22 that,s not registered best bet wait 6 months
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Post by Rider888 » 02 Dec 2017, 5:17 am

Wobble... That is exactly right. What you have posted also clearly states that you are not permitted to own a centerfires and rimfire pistol at the same time while on PPL.


Wobble wrote:
Rider888 wrote:Is anyone able to shed some light as to why this paragraph is in the Firearms Act in relation to the 2nd 6 months of the PPL?

"you must not possess a centrefire and rimfire pistol at the same time - section 31(3C) of the Firearms Act 1996."


You need to read the whole sections of the act when you want to know something, mate. Taking one line out of context isn't going to give you the right answer.

I don't know where you got that particular quote from either actually, as that's not what it says in the act, unless you were paraphrasing?

This is quoted from section 31 of the NSW Act.

(3B)In the case of a person who is the holder of a probationary pistol licence, and without limiting subsections (3) and (3A), the Commissioner:

(a)during the initial probationary period referred to in section 16A (2)—must not issue a permit authorising the person to acquire any kind of pistol, and

(b)during the remainder of the term of the licence—may only issue a total of 2 permits authorising the person to acquire no more than 2 pistols, any one of which (subject to subsection (3C)) is:

(i) a centrefire pistol, or
(ii) a rimfire pistol with a calibre of no more than .22 inch, or
(iii) an air pistol with a calibre of no more than .177 inch, or
(iv) a black powder pistol.

(3C) However, nothing in subsection (3B) (b) authorises the holder of a probationary pistol licence to possess a centrefire pistol and a rimfire pistol at the same time.


Gotta read the whole thing (as convoluted as it can sometimes be).
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Post by brett1868 » 02 Dec 2017, 10:36 am

pomemax wrote:OR and its a big OR you could buy a 9mm and then get a conversion kit that lets you to fire .22 for economy used to be you did not need a pta for conversion kit but once you add it to the 9mm frame the 22 kit you have a .22 that,s not registered best bet wait 6 months


Yeah but nah....Once you fit the 22LR conversion to the receiver you are guilty of being in possession of a prohibited firearm UNLESS the conversion is listed on the registration paper. Once fully licensed then the conversion, if properly noted on the registration is an economical way to acquire a rimfire.
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Post by bigM » 07 Dec 2017, 8:26 pm

A centrefire with a 22 conversion kit is fine. You just need the serial number of the second barrel on the rego papers.
While you need a PTA for the orginal centrefire, you do not need one for the conversion kit (in NSW).

Note that in this case you do not have a centrefire and a rimfire. You have a centrefire with 2 barrels.
No laws broken and you only have participation requirements for a centrefire.

The NSW laws are a bad interpretation of the NFA.
However, we should let it lie as it lets us have 2 centrefires in the second 6 months, something that is not allowed in most states.
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Post by brett1868 » 07 Dec 2017, 11:13 pm

bigM wrote:A centrefire with a 22 conversion kit is fine. You just need the serial number of the second barrel on the rego papers.
While you need a PTA for the orginal centrefire, you do not need one for the conversion kit (in NSW).

Note that in this case you do not have a centrefire and a rimfire. You have a centrefire with 2 barrels.
No laws broken and you only have participation requirements for a centrefire.

The NSW laws are a bad interpretation of the NFA.
However, we should let it lie as it lets us have 2 centrefires in the second 6 months, something that is not allowed in most states.


You're not wrong about it being a bad interpretation. OP is in his first 6 month so his CF pistol will be a H9 Rego and if he tries adding a H8 barrel to a H9 rego then it's gets really fuzzy. I'll put the question to my contact in the registry next time I'm talking to her and see what they suggest. Technically if he only has the 1 pistol in 9mm with a 22LR conversion then he'll have either a CF or a RF and not both which s compliant to the rule. If he has 2 CF pistols and fits the RF conversion to 1 then he's in breach. The 6 months passes quick and allows time to save for the next pistol :lol:
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