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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Rider888 » 11 Jul 2018, 2:54 pm

Thanks everyone for your input. Ive certainly learnt something today regarding magazines
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Dunxy » 11 Jul 2018, 3:01 pm

Interesting,ive always thought (in Vic) magazines were totally a non event, keep where you like, but the other week a RO told me travelling with unloaded mags in ammo box is against the law. I berated him and said that ive never seen this rule in either the regs or act(bpth of which i have read many times) and he was wrong. A few days later I asked another RO who is also a safety instructor and he said the original RO was infact correct.
Who do we believe?
Has anybody got anything in writing (ha!) from LRD on this? You cant trust/use anything said on the phone, somebody at LRD flat out told a mate it was fine to do something that was infact not fine,so i hold zero faith in anything said on phone.
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Joffa » 11 Jul 2018, 3:54 pm

For transport in Tasmania, the following is a direct quote from FAS Tasmania:
(obviously there are differences from state to state)

People engaged in the business of transporting goods must transport the ammunition in a separate package from a firearm or firearm part.

When conveying your firearms or ammunition from one place to another, any magazines must be unloaded, ammunition must be in a closed container completely separate from the firearm, which must also be unloaded and either:

Be in a locked receptacle; or
The bolt removed and kept in a closed container, completely separate from the firearm; or
A trigger/action lock fitted that prevents the firearm from being used.
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Dunxy » 11 Jul 2018, 4:35 pm

At least Tas outlines it clearly.

I just had a semi heated back and forth message session with an RO who says he knows for a fact somebody losing license for this exact scenario.I personally question it based on the fact that i cannot find even a recomendation let alone law(and im an argumentative prick) that outlines this for Vic. I shot of an email to a few dfo's, if i get any replies it will be interesting,
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by madang55 » 11 Jul 2018, 8:00 pm

AS a current Victorian Firearms safety course Instructor I can tell you that in Victoria, any part of the firearm, i.e. magazines, CAN NOT be stored with the ammunition. They are part of the firearm. They must be stored with the firearm. If anyone at the registry is saying you can store magazines with the ammunition, GET IT IN WRITING because I would really like to see that!
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jul 2018, 1:04 am

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bladeracer wrote:It just occurred to me, I'm sure that somewhere I've read something about not being allowed to keep anything in the gun safe that is not a firearm or part, supposedly to reduce access to the safe for items unrelated to shooting.


Wouldn't surprise me if you read that somewhere in a non-official capacity (aka somethink like facebook;) ), but I call BS on it being a legal requirement. Plus - it doesn't make sense. Someone breaks into a house and wants to get into a safe - how do they know what you've got in there until they open it up?

And I'm not removing my complete collection of Footrot Flats books from my safe to an insecure area for anyone -regardless of what I'm told. ;)


No, it was about not opening the safe to get things that are not firearm-related, but I agree, it seems unlikely such would be written in law, but that doesn't rule it out :-)
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by bladeracer » 12 Jul 2018, 5:25 am

madang55 wrote:AS a current Victorian Firearms safety course Instructor I can tell you that in Victoria, any part of the firearm, i.e. magazines, CAN NOT be stored with the ammunition. They are part of the firearm. They must be stored with the firearm. If anyone at the registry is saying you can store magazines with the ammunition, GET IT IN WRITING because I would really like to see that!


Can you direct me to the law that states that a magazine (or a scope or a stock) is part of a firearm?
As Police have no authority to inspect your ammunition storage, or your magazines, how would they know if you store your mags in there?
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Dunxy » 12 Jul 2018, 9:40 am

bladeracer wrote:
Can you direct me to the law that states that a magazine (or a scope or a stock) is part of a firearm?
As Police have no authority to inspect your ammunition storage, or your magazines, how would they know if you store your mags in there?


My thought is identical, where is the definitions outlining what is considered a "part"?

On them having right to inspect, im talking scenario of travel, would they not be allowed to inspect your ammunition box while travelling to ensure you are complying with whatever rules are required?
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by bullzeye » 12 Jul 2018, 11:26 am

Rider888 wrote:OK here is the the official word from the Registry:

a. You can store empty magazines with your firearms.

b. You can store magazines with your ammunition in the ammunition box.

And not even subjective.


Thanks for sharing. Good to know option B is available.
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Rider888 » 12 Jul 2018, 12:12 pm

bullzeye wrote:
Rider888 wrote:OK here is the the official word from the Registry:

a. You can store empty magazines with your firearms.

b. You can store magazines with your ammunition in the ammunition box.

And not even subjective.


Thanks for sharing. Good to know option B is available.



Yes I thought it was good to get the "official" word from the registry and keep the email so that there can be no confusion if it comes up again
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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Dunxy » 12 Jul 2018, 12:32 pm

madang55 wrote:AS a current Victorian Firearms safety course Instructor I can tell you that in Victoria, any part of the firearm, i.e. magazines, CAN NOT be stored with the ammunition. They are part of the firearm. They must be stored with the firearm. If anyone at the registry is saying you can store magazines with the ammunition, GET IT IN WRITING because I would really like to see that!

Here you go from a dfo



 

The question you ask is a simple one to answer

 

Carrying empty magazines in the same container as the rounds is no offence under the Firearm Act or the Wildlife Regulations

 

The rounds and mags must be stored away from where the firearm is stored

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Re: Magazine Storage

Post by Rider888 » 13 Jul 2018, 7:18 am

Dunxy wrote:
madang55 wrote:AS a current Victorian Firearms safety course Instructor I can tell you that in Victoria, any part of the firearm, i.e. magazines, CAN NOT be stored with the ammunition. They are part of the firearm. They must be stored with the firearm. If anyone at the registry is saying you can store magazines with the ammunition, GET IT IN WRITING because I would really like to see that!

Here you go from a dfo



 

The question you ask is a simple one to answer

 

Carrying empty magazines in the same container as the rounds is no offence under the Firearm Act or the Wildlife Regulations

 

The rounds and mags must be stored away from where the firearm is stored




As I have seen, these guidelines vary from state to state. Yes I do have mine in email form which is where I copied and pasted the response
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