NSW new licence application how long?

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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by GojiraSteve » 06 Nov 2018, 9:22 am

JWD40 wrote:I but in their defence, in the wake of the recent John Edwards incident, the FAR has been shaken up a bit and as a result has been left short staffed. The currently slowdown hasn't specifically been a result of increased licence applications or deliberate government bureaucracy. It's that they've lost a lot of people. Or so I've been told by someone who should be in the know.


In defence of the run-of-the-mill employees sure. But you could argue that the fact that they're perpetually understaffed contributed greatly to John Edwards slipping through the cracks.
And the management team "solved" that problem by LOWERING staffing levels!? Seems counter intuitive to me.
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by JWD40 » 06 Nov 2018, 11:54 am

GojiraSteve wrote:In defence of the run-of-the-mill employees sure. But you could argue that the fact that they're perpetually understaffed contributed greatly to John Edwards slipping through the cracks.
And the management team "solved" that problem by LOWERING staffing levels!? Seems counter intuitive to me.


I won't argue about perpetually being understaffed. I agree with it. I'm in favor for it being mostly automated.
Computers will generally give a faster and more consistent outcome, leaving employees to spend more time assessing the people the computer doesn't like.

As for John Edwards, I don't know much about how he actually got issued a firearm. From what I've read, he was initially refused based on a AVO put on him 10 years prier. He then requested a commissioners permit to bypass the restriction. Due to AVO being a decade old, they decided he wasn't a risk. Was it the right decision? i think it's too easy to say "obviously not!" But these decisions aren't always easy and we don't have all the facts.

I find it hard to believe anyone emotionally motivated to commit murder would wait half a year to buy a gun when they could achieve the same devastation in a more discreet manner with a knife. I could be totally wrong, but my gut is telling me that he actually just wanted to shoot a gun, and it was that simple.
But after he had the gun, it became convenience...

Perhaps based off his historical AVO they should have got in contact with people who know him, to better asses his mental state. Or maybe they already did ? I'd doubt it, highly doubt it. But as i said, we don't know all the facts. And if he hadn't had an AVO from 10 years ago, he wouldn't have had any trouble in getting a gun in the first place and most likely would have committed the crime anyway.

From what I've been told, the reduction in staff was more voluntary rather than sackings. I've been told this in good faith so i don't want to say too much. But the lack of staff doesn't seem to have been anything intentional. As far as i last heard, there currently isn't a verdict about how things happened, or any planned penalty (such as deliberate delays) to applicants.
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by zhuk » 07 Nov 2018, 4:03 am

When I rang FAR last Friday it was denied that there any staff cuts had occurred at all ...but only that "lots more people are getting licences/PTAs"

To the extent we are seeing these kinds of slowdowns...more than 2 weeks for my pta and no receipt yet? ha if only that were true lol
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by JWD40 » 07 Nov 2018, 6:46 am

zhuk wrote:When I rang FAR last Friday it was denied that there any staff cuts had occurred at all ...but only that "lots more people are getting licences/PTAs"


I've been told, that if asked, they are to deny anything about being short staffed. They were meant to say something instead, I can't remember exactly. But it was something along the lines of "we've received an unusually high volume of applications"

I want to re-affirm that i don't know this information first hand. It's just something I've been told off someone who should know what's going on and I've taken their word for it.

Edit: just to add to this, the person i know also said there hadn't been 'staff cuts' as such. That the loss in people had been voluntary departure. They also didn't mention quantity of departure. i.e. one person, or many people. But based off the context, it sounded like it was the cause of the delays.
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by zhuk » 07 Nov 2018, 11:10 pm

JWD40 wrote:
zhuk wrote:When I rang FAR last Friday it was denied that there any staff cuts had occurred at all ...but only that "lots more people are getting licences/PTAs"


I've been told, that if asked, they are to deny anything about being short staffed. They were meant to say something instead, I can't remember exactly. But it was something along the lines of "we've received an unusually high volume of applications"

I want to re-affirm that i don't know this information first hand. It's just something I've been told off someone who should know what's going on and I've taken their word for it.

Edit: just to add to this, the person i know also said there hadn't been 'staff cuts' as such. That the loss in people had been voluntary departure. They also didn't mention quantity of departure. i.e. one person, or many people. But based off the context, it sounded like it was the cause of the delays.



I don't doubt at all that they've been instructed to give that line. But the slowdown as it seems to be is only very recent I had another PTA received on Sep 27, issued on Oct 3 and received 2 days later. Fairly fast for a paper application. So everything seems to have banked right up from the end of October onwards.
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by JWD40 » 08 Nov 2018, 6:27 am

zhuk wrote:
I don't doubt at all that they've been instructed to give that line. But the slowdown as it seems to be is only very recent I had another PTA received on Sep 27, issued on Oct 3 and received 2 days later. Fairly fast for a paper application. So everything seems to have banked right up from the end of October onward.


Interesting...
When it comes to licencing, the slowdown clearly started around early July and seems to be taking twice as long as normal.
Perhaps there are two different ques ?, or maybe they were prioritising PTA's, and in the last month have stopped prioritising. I dono, at this point i'm just guessing.

When did you apply/receive your licence zhuk ? Was it this year, or you've had it for a while and just applying for PTA. (interested in getting more time frames from people, as so far there is only 3-4 on this post that have mentioned their experience with licence application.
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by zhuk » 08 Nov 2018, 7:24 am

JWD40 wrote:
zhuk wrote:
I don't doubt at all that they've been instructed to give that line. But the slowdown as it seems to be is only very recent I had another PTA received on Sep 27, issued on Oct 3 and received 2 days later. Fairly fast for a paper application. So everything seems to have banked right up from the end of October onward.


Interesting...
When it comes to licencing, the slowdown clearly started around early July and seems to be taking twice as long as normal.
Perhaps there are two different ques ?, or maybe they were prioritising PTA's, and in the last month have stopped prioritising. I dono, at this point i'm just guessing.

When did you apply/receive your licence zhuk ? Was it this year, or you've had it for a while and just applying for PTA. (interested in getting more time frames from people, as so far there is only 3-4 on this post that have mentioned their experience with licence application.


Hey JWD, apologies if I've semi-derailed this thread on that score!

Yes it's just the PTA application; I have done many, many lol of them since I was licensed in 2009. But none hadn't been received by the 2 1/2 week mark as is the current case. I'd imagine there would definitely be two queues re licences and PTAs, since the first involves not only the cooling-off period but Federal police checks etc. There's been a changeover of the FAR director recently as well which might have thrown a spanner in the bureaucratic works, but that doesn't explain why licences have been double the time-length since July....and I thought waiting 6 weeks was long enough :P
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by JWD40 » 08 Nov 2018, 2:12 pm

zhuk wrote:Hey JWD, apologies if I've semi-derailed this thread on that score!


No apologies needed, i think it's all within the the OP's original intent.
I'm also on a slight tangent from the OP, tracking peoples applications for comparison.

zhuk wrote:There's been a changeover of the FAR director recently as well which might have thrown a spanner in the bureaucratic works


Is that so! I hope they plan to finish off this new Service NSW system. I also hope that the new system is as good as it could be.
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by zhuk » 08 Nov 2018, 8:51 pm

JWD40 wrote:
Is that so! I hope they plan to finish off this new Service NSW system. I also hope that the new system is as good as it could be.



According to what I've read on australianhunting.net, yeah mate. And absolutely agree...hey if we can eventually have a system even vaguely close to VIC or QLD in the end that will be a long­­­­­­­-deserved win all round :)
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Re: NSW new licence application how long?

Post by Wonky » 14 Nov 2018, 11:08 am

Keeping an eye out here. Just getting back in to shooting, and waiting for licence.

My application date shows 28/08/18 so hopefully we see some movement soon.
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