Chances that we'll get our semi-auto .22's back?

[spartan71]

Interesting, the message I got from the Galley Shooting idea had nothing to do with benefiting anyone but the broader shooting community. If SSAA had been able to get this up as an accredited event then there would have been zero reason why other clubs couldn't have followed - i.e., rules and regulations for gallery rifle are based on an international event and standard that includes the use of semi-auto rimfire long arms.

I don't think its realistic to have AR15's magically be allowed again. Rather, you get semi-auto rimfires safely used in competitions/events and then you build a case for semi-auto centre fire - say for three gun shoots - again based on accredited international events. This then addresses the 'genuine need' element for possession. This would, I think enable other clubs and associations to follow on.

i don't shoot gallery rifle with anyone but I do know plenty of people who are NOT SSAA members who shot in SSAA comps including semi-auto pistol matches. Just as SSAA members shoot at other clubs.

Additionally, you would think that there isn't going to a material increase in membership based on that policy - you are more likely to adding an additional service to an existing membership service offering. i.e. gallery rifle shooters who can shoot the way their international peers do.

The best way for any of this to happen is for the shooting community to grow by educating and adding people to our community regardless of their club, sport/hunting preference.

I don't see any amount of internet memes helping shooters get access to the firearms that they currently can't get.

[Daddybang]

How does allowing only accredited comps to use semi auto help me control ferals on my property. It seems to me that the ssaa hierarchy only want to push for things that benefit comp shooters as that's where the money is. No worries if people don't see things the same way.

[Archie]

I have got some sympathy for Spartan's view. If the SSAA can get rimfire semi-autos back for gallery shooting, great. I don't gallery shoot, but its no harm to me if someone else does and can use one. And, if they can get it back in for gallery shooting, it eventually opens the door to extend that to other applications I do care about (such as bunnies).

I actually dont think we'll ever get centrefire semi-auto again but rimfire semi-auto should be attainable.

[Gaznazdiak]

About the same as seeing Samantha Lee advocating concealed carry for self defence.

[marksman]

I was speaking to someone (they weren't at all affiliated with Vic Pol or LRD at all, just an average shooter) the other day and he seemed to think that they're talking about allowing us to have our semi-auto rimfire like 10/22's back under cat a/b with a limited 10rnd mag capacity, I thought this sounded unlikely but me being a positive person I thought what are the actual chances this will ever happen? This was in regards to VIC specifically but I don't know about other states. Curious as its not easy to get Cat C for bunny eradication.

I did hear these 22 self loader rumours as well as the suppressor rumours
I also heard the rumour about the vic ssaa trying to make it a legal requirement to do a practical test at there range's as well as the compulsory theoretical test already done by volunteers to get a shooter licence
when it was discussed I said it would be a great idea as long as it was free like the compulsory theoretical test, I said it would be very big of the ssaa to donate the ranges and volunteers time to do this
apparently licencing services didn't think it was necessary
but for $120 members and $150 non members
ssaavic.com.au/education/basic-firearms-safety-course/
keep trying ssaa, its all about the money
for you

[spartan71]

I did hear these 22 self loader rumours as well as the suppressor rumours
I also heard the rumour about the vic ssaa trying to make it a legal requirement to do a practical test at there range's as well as the compulsory theoretical test already done by volunteers to get a shooter licence
when it was discussed I said it would be a great idea as long as it was free like the compulsory theoretical test, I said it would be very big of the ssaa to donate the ranges and volunteers time to do this
apparently licencing services didn't think it was necessary
but for $120 members and $150 non members
ssaavic.com.au/education/basic-firearms-safety-course/
keep trying ssaa, its all about the money
for you [/quote]


The practical test you speak of is the way that it happens in Queensland and the safety courses are run by just about every club going as well as private providers. I'd imagine that more of the safety courses are run by non SSAA than SSAA. I did all my safety courses at QMRC for example.

[spartan71]

How does allowing only accredited comps to use semi auto help me control ferals on my property. It seems to me that the ssaa hierarchy only want to push for things that benefit comp shooters as that's where the money is. No worries if people don't see things the same way.

I think your view is just as valid as anyone elses view to be honest. I have heard from competition pistol shooters from SSAA (who I occasionally mix with) that the SSAA is only interested in hunting so there you go.

To address your point though I would think that its got to be more likely to allow you to use a semi-auto on your property if there were extant provisions allowing semi-auto long arms in other areas. I guess it would be incremental steps.

[Bigjobss]

I am an optimist, so about a 7% chance within the next 50 years.

[Member-Deleted]

It is possible to get access to semi autos back and other restrictions reversed, it needs to be remembered that the firearms restrictions were made in parliament, if we want to see them changed for the better, it is there we need to have our representatives, if pro shooting minor parties can get into a situation where they hold the balance of power, real positive changes are possible.

All the lobbying under the sun is unlikely to change anything, the reason I say this is, those being lobbied, are the various governments, which are made up of the major parties, they are the very one's who created the restrictions in the first place, these parties have an agenda and a policy line, one that regardless of what we say, they will not change anytime soon.

Getting pro shooting representatives into parliament is possible, what is needed is more support of the pro shooting minor parties by shooters, many people understandably don't like politics, this probably has a lot to do with the behaviour and lack of ethics of many politicians, but the time for not getting involved is over, if we want change, we need to work for it.

[bladeracer]

We should be concentrating on something that at least has a slight chance of succeeding. Like easier access to cans.

Out of curiosity what are the realistic chances of suppressors actually becoming legal for us to own and use for pest hunting and target shooting in Vic or Aus?

They were legal in SA in the eighties, I bought one myself.

[marksman]

I did hear these 22 self loader rumours as well as the suppressor rumours
I also heard the rumour about the vic ssaa trying to make it a legal requirement to do a practical test at there range's as well as the compulsory theoretical test already done by volunteers to get a shooter licence
when it was discussed I said it would be a great idea as long as it was free like the compulsory theoretical test, I said it would be very big of the ssaa to donate the ranges and volunteers time to do this
apparently licencing services didn't think it was necessary
but for $120 members and $150 non members
ssaavic.com.au/education/basic-firearms-safety-course/
keep trying ssaa, its all about the money
for you

The practical test you speak of is the way that it happens in Queensland and the safety courses are run by just about every club going as well as private providers. I'd imagine that more of the safety courses are run by non SSAA than SSAA. I did all my safety courses at QMRC for example.[/quote]

maybe there are a few clubs in QLD doing a practical test for your shooters licence and that has become the norm for you
but here in VIC we do not have to and the ssaa are not looking after the LAFO or should I say the new shooters by trying to get this implemented
we have enough greedy anti's to cope with, the ssaa suck

[bladeracer]

Interesting, the message I got from the Galley Shooting idea had nothing to do with benefiting anyone but the broader shooting community. If SSAA had been able to get this up as an accredited event then there would have been zero reason why other clubs couldn't have followed - i.e., rules and regulations for gallery rifle are based on an international event and standard that includes the use of semi-auto rimfire long arms.

I don't think its realistic to have AR15's magically be allowed again. Rather, you get semi-auto rimfires safely used in competitions/events and then you build a case for semi-auto centre fire - say for three gun shoots - again based on accredited international events. This then addresses the 'genuine need' element for possession. This would, I think enable other clubs and associations to follow on.

i don't shoot gallery rifle with anyone but I do know plenty of people who are NOT SSAA members who shot in SSAA comps including semi-auto pistol matches. Just as SSAA members shoot at other clubs.

Additionally, you would think that there isn't going to a material increase in membership based on that policy - you are more likely to adding an additional service to an existing membership service offering. i.e. gallery rifle shooters who can shoot the way their international peers do.

The best way for any of this to happen is for the shooting community to grow by educating and adding people to our community regardless of their club, sport/hunting preference.

I don't see any amount of internet memes helping shooters get access to the firearms that they currently can't get.

How does a purely competition firearm benefit the broader community - those of us that have no interest in shooting on approved ranges?

[Sergeant Hartman]

Tipu can make some of the ppl happy some of the time... but you cannot make everyone happy all the time

How does allowing only accredited comps to use semi auto help me control ferals on my property. It seems to me that the ssaa hierarchy only want to push for things that benefit comp shooters as that's where the money is. No worries if people don't see things the same way.

I think your view is just as valid as anyone elses view to be honest. I have heard from competition pistol shooters from SSAA (who I occasionally mix with) that the SSAA is only interested in hunting so there you go.

To address your point though I would think that its got to be more likely to allow you to use a semi-auto on your property if there were extant provisions allowing semi-auto long arms in other areas. I guess it would be incremental steps.

[Windston]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

[TBJ]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

This is an excellent point, only issue is we have too many anti firearms people in the government that have no idea about the legal use of firearms only the BS they see on TV, Movie screens and in Games. As a whole country we need to focus on fixing the illegal firearms issues, and stop blaming, shaming and punishing us legal firearms owners and users for the illegal firearms and the people that use them.

[MontyShooter]

Pretty sure cans are legal now.
You've just got to have a valid reason for needing one.
I guess it's no good saying you want to protect your hearing at the range unless everyone is using one...

[juststarting]

Pretty sure cans are legal now.
You've just got to have a valid reason for needing one.
I guess it's no good saying you want to protect your hearing at the range unless everyone is using one...

No, that are not for sporting/recreational shooters.

[Stix]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

Mate...ill try put it in perspective for you...

NZ has (in parlimentary terms & my opinion) a smart, relatively attractive young female thats been voted in as Prime Minister...

On the other hand here in Austrslia, it currently appears that the next Prime Minister we will have, & whom now holds the "most popular vote" while being the opposition leader, & has been caught red handed & proven to be one of the most corrupt, lying, 2 faced, back stabbing peices of sh1t who has proven beyond ALL doubt that he cares NOT for the citizens of this country, let alone his work collegues...& yet the community vote him in...this guy is still employed & payed a lot of money by the citizens of this country to do what ever it takes to what ever he likes, even if its to the severe detriment of this country...!!

If the community vote for people like this, other successful countries policies will never be considered...!!

[Sergeant Hartman]

Not just that.. thre current PM is similar. You could easily say the same about the current premier of victoria, and the opposition leader I would asy is nearly the same...... as usual I blame it on that ppl esp old ppl and yobos.

[No1_49er]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

Mate...ill try put it in perspective for you...

NZ has (in parlimentary terms & my opinion) a smart, relatively attractive young female thats been voted in as Prime Minister...

On the other hand here in Austrslia, it currently appears that the next Prime Minister we will have, & whom now holds the "most popular vote" while being the opposition leader, & has been caught red handed & proven to be one of the most corrupt, lying, 2 faced, back stabbing peices of sh1t who has proven beyond ALL doubt that he cares NOT for the citizens of this country, let alone his work collegues...& yet the community vote him in...this guy is still employed & payed a lot of money by the citizens of this country to do what ever it takes to what ever he likes, even if its to the severe detriment of this country...!!

If the community vote for people like this, other successful countries policies will never be considered...!!

Stix, you are so wrong.

The New Zealand parliament tasked Thomas Thorp to "Review Firearms Control in NZ" back in 1997. Subsequent to that report a number of changes were made with respect to the vetting of individuals for firearms licencing and the sale/transfer/storage of what became defined as MSSA's.
"Conventional" semi-auto firearms i.e. the type we might use for hunting, and sound moderators, are and were not a problem which needed "solving" by way of further regulation/restriction.

Yes, at that time NZ did have a woman PM, but NOT the "relatively attractive young female" you might be suggesting.

I have had the good fortune to indulge myself in competitive target rifle shooting in NZ and it is a revelation to shoot with a bunch of people using sound moderators on their rifles. But, some ranges also have a ruling that muzzle brakes can not be used. Might be nice for the person behind the rifle but damned unpleasant for those alongside. I was present on an occasion when a competitor arrived with a rifle fitted with an MB. He was asked to remove the brake, or leave the range / not compete. Tough, maybe, but his neighboring competitors were also being considered.

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

[Gwion]

New Zealand also have much stricter vetting process for FAlicence applicants.

How many here would be happy to go through the same process for similar freedoms?

Even if we adopted the NZ model, I'd give good odds that there would still be a bunch of whingers crying that it was too hard to get a licence...

[Member-Deleted]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

This is an excellent point, only issue is we have too many anti firearms people in the government that have no idea about the legal use of firearms only the BS they see on TV, Movie screens and in Games. As a whole country we need to focus on fixing the illegal firearms issues, and stop blaming, shaming and punishing us legal firearms owners and users for the illegal firearms and the people that use them.

It is basically the policy of both of the major parties to disarm us, they are secumbing to the will of the UN, Labor have an extremely socialist outlook and while ever the liberals are controlled by the likes of Howard (yes he still influences policy) and Turnbull, there will be no change in their push towards disarmament.

The only way forward for us is to get our own representatives into parliament in enough numbers to force change for the better.

[Member-Deleted]

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

http://ro.ecu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cg ... uworks2011

[Baronvonrort]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

The UK with their tough gun laws allow hunters to have semi auto rimfire rifles and semi auto shotguns.


There are no magazine size limits for semi auto rimfire rifles in the UK, have a look at what they can have- https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/gsg/semi-auto/22-lr

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/ruger/semi-auto

[Member-Deleted]

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

http://ro.ecu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cg ... uworks2011

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms,

[No1_49er]

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms,

Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.

[Member-Deleted]

Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up, which is why I gave up voting for and supporting the Nationals a couple of decades or more ago, however in saying that, I would always put them before labor and the greens, I have thrown my support behind the SFFP, both sides of politics with respect to the major parties have let us down, ignoring the facts and science in order to chase the votes of the uninformed.

[Windston]

I just turned 18 and apart from that meaning getting my Cat A/B, it also means that I can vote. I have been looking into it, David Leyonhjelm and the Liberal Democrats seem to make some sense from what I've seen!

So if I am looking at voting for someone to support the farmers (which is my whole extended family) and for better gun laws in QLD, who should I be considering?

[Member-Deleted]

I just turned 18 and apart from that meaning getting my Cat A/B, it also means that I can vote. I have been looking into it, David Leyonhjelm and the Liberal Democrats seem to make some sense from what I've seen!

So if I am looking at voting for someone to support the farmers (which is my whole extended family) and for better gun laws in QLD, who should I be considering?

Consider the Queensland Shooters Fishers and Farmers Party, as well as fighting for shooters and fishers, we have been extremely active in our representation of the farming community, I am an ex farmer and QLD State Chairman, we have a strong representation of farmers in the party in Queensland, myself and one other committee member traveled to the recent tree clearing laws protest outside of parliament, and we were at Farmfest in Toowoomba for the third year running.

Jump onto our QLD SFFP Facebook page and you will see from our posts that we are proactive in highlighting farming issues, I can say with confidence our representation of the QLD farming community is genuine and committed, I see your considering the LDP, without knocking them or starting and us and them debate, the SFFP overall are far more committed to and in touch with farmers and the issues effecting them.

We are currently offering a $10 membership deal, which was taken up by farmers at Farmfest and other events we attend, the more members we can attract, the more we are able to achieve, you and members of your family and friends would be most welcome to join up if you so choose, if you require further information, do not hesitate to ask or alternatively you can contact me on cwheatley@sff.net.au

[bullzeye]

Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?

Not me..

How hard was it to get this license?

I’m looking at:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf