Chances that we'll get our semi-auto .22's back?

[Sergeant Hartman]

Not just that.. thre current PM is similar. You could easily say the same about the current premier of victoria, and the opposition leader I would asy is nearly the same...... as usual I blame it on that ppl esp old ppl and yobos.

[No1_49er]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

Mate...ill try put it in perspective for you...

NZ has (in parlimentary terms & my opinion) a smart, relatively attractive young female thats been voted in as Prime Minister...

On the other hand here in Austrslia, it currently appears that the next Prime Minister we will have, & whom now holds the "most popular vote" while being the opposition leader, & has been caught red handed & proven to be one of the most corrupt, lying, 2 faced, back stabbing peices of sh1t who has proven beyond ALL doubt that he cares NOT for the citizens of this country, let alone his work collegues...& yet the community vote him in...this guy is still employed & payed a lot of money by the citizens of this country to do what ever it takes to what ever he likes, even if its to the severe detriment of this country...!!

If the community vote for people like this, other successful countries policies will never be considered...!!

Stix, you are so wrong.

The New Zealand parliament tasked Thomas Thorp to "Review Firearms Control in NZ" back in 1997. Subsequent to that report a number of changes were made with respect to the vetting of individuals for firearms licencing and the sale/transfer/storage of what became defined as MSSA's.
"Conventional" semi-auto firearms i.e. the type we might use for hunting, and sound moderators, are and were not a problem which needed "solving" by way of further regulation/restriction.

Yes, at that time NZ did have a woman PM, but NOT the "relatively attractive young female" you might be suggesting.

I have had the good fortune to indulge myself in competitive target rifle shooting in NZ and it is a revelation to shoot with a bunch of people using sound moderators on their rifles. But, some ranges also have a ruling that muzzle brakes can not be used. Might be nice for the person behind the rifle but damned unpleasant for those alongside. I was present on an occasion when a competitor arrived with a rifle fitted with an MB. He was asked to remove the brake, or leave the range / not compete. Tough, maybe, but his neighboring competitors were also being considered.

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

[Gwion]

New Zealand also have much stricter vetting process for FAlicence applicants.

How many here would be happy to go through the same process for similar freedoms?

Even if we adopted the NZ model, I'd give good odds that there would still be a bunch of whingers crying that it was too hard to get a licence...

[Member-Deleted]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

This is an excellent point, only issue is we have too many anti firearms people in the government that have no idea about the legal use of firearms only the BS they see on TV, Movie screens and in Games. As a whole country we need to focus on fixing the illegal firearms issues, and stop blaming, shaming and punishing us legal firearms owners and users for the illegal firearms and the people that use them.

It is basically the policy of both of the major parties to disarm us, they are secumbing to the will of the UN, Labor have an extremely socialist outlook and while ever the liberals are controlled by the likes of Howard (yes he still influences policy) and Turnbull, there will be no change in their push towards disarmament.

The only way forward for us is to get our own representatives into parliament in enough numbers to force change for the better.

[Member-Deleted]

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

http://ro.ecu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cg ... uworks2011

[Baronvonrort]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

The UK with their tough gun laws allow hunters to have semi auto rimfire rifles and semi auto shotguns.


There are no magazine size limits for semi auto rimfire rifles in the UK, have a look at what they can have- https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/gsg/semi-auto/22-lr

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/rifles/ruger/semi-auto

[Member-Deleted]

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

http://ro.ecu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cg ... uworks2011

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms,

[No1_49er]

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms,

Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.

[Member-Deleted]

Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.[/quote]

That pretty much sums it up, which is why I gave up voting for and supporting the Nationals a couple of decades or more ago, however in saying that, I would always put them before labor and the greens, I have thrown my support behind the SFFP, both sides of politics with respect to the major parties have let us down, ignoring the facts and science in order to chase the votes of the uninformed.

[Windston]

I just turned 18 and apart from that meaning getting my Cat A/B, it also means that I can vote. I have been looking into it, David Leyonhjelm and the Liberal Democrats seem to make some sense from what I've seen!

So if I am looking at voting for someone to support the farmers (which is my whole extended family) and for better gun laws in QLD, who should I be considering?

[Member-Deleted]

I just turned 18 and apart from that meaning getting my Cat A/B, it also means that I can vote. I have been looking into it, David Leyonhjelm and the Liberal Democrats seem to make some sense from what I've seen!

So if I am looking at voting for someone to support the farmers (which is my whole extended family) and for better gun laws in QLD, who should I be considering?

Consider the Queensland Shooters Fishers and Farmers Party, as well as fighting for shooters and fishers, we have been extremely active in our representation of the farming community, I am an ex farmer and QLD State Chairman, we have a strong representation of farmers in the party in Queensland, myself and one other committee member traveled to the recent tree clearing laws protest outside of parliament, and we were at Farmfest in Toowoomba for the third year running.

Jump onto our QLD SFFP Facebook page and you will see from our posts that we are proactive in highlighting farming issues, I can say with confidence our representation of the QLD farming community is genuine and committed, I see your considering the LDP, without knocking them or starting and us and them debate, the SFFP overall are far more committed to and in touch with farmers and the issues effecting them.

We are currently offering a $10 membership deal, which was taken up by farmers at Farmfest and other events we attend, the more members we can attract, the more we are able to achieve, you and members of your family and friends would be most welcome to join up if you so choose, if you require further information, do not hesitate to ask or alternatively you can contact me on cwheatley@sff.net.au

[bullzeye]

Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?

Not me..

How hard was it to get this license?

I’m looking at:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf

[bladeracer]

Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?

Not me..

How hard was it to get this license?

I’m looking at:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf

Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?

[Stix]

I'm at a loss as to why the Government cant just look at NZ or Canada, and see that semi-autos for sport and rec is fine. And cans for that matter.

NZ has lower gun crime than Australia, yet they have access to semi-auto centrefires and cans!?

Mate...ill try put it in perspective for you...

NZ has (in parlimentary terms & my opinion) a smart, relatively attractive young female thats been voted in as Prime Minister...

On the other hand here in Austrslia, it currently appears that the next Prime Minister we will have, & whom now holds the "most popular vote" while being the opposition leader, & has been caught red handed & proven to be one of the most corrupt, lying, 2 faced, back stabbing peices of sh1t who has proven beyond ALL doubt that he cares NOT for the citizens of this country, let alone his work collegues...& yet the community vote him in...this guy is still employed & payed a lot of money by the citizens of this country to do what ever it takes to what ever he likes, even if its to the severe detriment of this country...!!

If the community vote for people like this, other successful countries policies will never be considered...!!

Stix, you are so wrong.

The New Zealand parliament tasked Thomas Thorp to "Review Firearms Control in NZ" back in 1997. Subsequent to that report a number of changes were made with respect to the vetting of individuals for firearms licencing and the sale/transfer/storage of what became defined as MSSA's.
"Conventional" semi-auto firearms i.e. the type we might use for hunting, and sound moderators, are and were not a problem which needed "solving" by way of further regulation/restriction.

Yes, at that time NZ did have a woman PM, but NOT the "relatively attractive young female" you might be suggesting.

I have had the good fortune to indulge myself in competitive target rifle shooting in NZ and it is a revelation to shoot with a bunch of people using sound moderators on their rifles. But, some ranges also have a ruling that muzzle brakes can not be used. Might be nice for the person behind the rifle but damned unpleasant for those alongside. I was present on an occasion when a competitor arrived with a rifle fitted with an MB. He was asked to remove the brake, or leave the range / not compete. Tough, maybe, but his neighboring competitors were also being considered.

Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

???
Hi 49r., mate my point wasnt about specifics of legislation & /regs of other countries, nor about any science you are talking about...my point was simple that the people of this country have become way to lazy to make up their own mind about what is good for them, & that the political system in this country is at such a low point, (looking at for example-Shortens antics from Rudd Gillard Rudd to now) its an embarrasment...
& with all this happening within, looking beyond (to other countries) is just not on the cards...

So, from my perspective i am not wrong about the point i made, or tried to make.

Pollies are dead against them (moderators) because thats the society they've built...it wont get them the numbers.

[Stix]

"""Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.[/quote][/quote]

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms, [/quote]


Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.[/quote][/quote]


Guys,
dont be so foolish to think pollies "dont believe the science of moderators"...they are not all as stupid as you think they are...Narcissism, certainly at the heights of power, usually comes with a good degree of intelligence, & you (we/civilians) are their puppet..
Our system has developed a way of it being acceptable for pollies to NOT be held to account for their actions in any REAL WORLD sense.
& that flows through every level of society.
Down to the point where if all else fails, just be claim to be offended & at someone else & plead anxiety & depression & all will be forgiven.

The only science at hand here is propoganda--dystopian literature is the term i read & think it fits our society prrfectly...& if you understand its process you will see thats how our country is run..!!

Its a numbers science mate-& the easiest way for them to gain &/or hold power is to get the numbers, by training people to be stupid & vote for them.
If "the numbers" demanded moderators, we would have them -regardless of the science...!!!
Example--the negative propoganda post Pt Arthur, resulted in the laws we have now...

They dont believe what they see in the movies...!!
Thats all part of the propoganda, the fear instilled in people that invokes a reaction to give them what they want....carbon tax to "protect the envoronment" is another example...its negative propoganda to invoke a reaction for stupid people to believe they are not being taxed more...simples...!

[Member-Deleted]

"""Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

[/quote]

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms, [/quote]


Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.[/quote][/quote]


Guys,
dont be so foolish to think pollies "dont believe the science of moderators"...they are not all as stupid as you think they are...Narcissism, certainly at the heights of power, usually comes with a good degree of intelligence, & you (we/civilians) are their puppet..
Our system has developed a way of it being acceptable for pollies to NOT be held to account for their actions in any REAL WORLD sense.
& that flows through every level of society.
Down to the point where if all else fails, just be claim to be offended & at someone else & plead anxiety & depression & all will be forgiven.

The only science at hand here is propoganda--dystopian literature is the term i read & think it fits our society prrfectly...& if you understand its process you will see thats how our country is run..!!

Its a numbers science mate-& the easiest way for them to gain &/or hold power is to get the numbers, by training people to be stupid & vote for them.
If "the numbers" demanded moderators, we would have them -regardless of the science...!!!
Example--the negative propoganda post Pt Arthur, resulted in the laws we have now...

They dont believe what they see in the movies...!!
Thats all part of the propoganda, the fear instilled in people that invokes a reaction to give them what they want....carbon tax to "protect the envoronment" is another example...its negative propoganda to invoke a reaction for stupid people to believe they are not being taxed more...simples...![/quote]

Yep, it is all about them getting as many votes as they can, they are concerned about their mangy political hides first and foremost, what is best for us runs a very poor second.

[Member-Deleted]

Pollies are dead against them (moderators) because thats the society they've built...it wont get them the numbers.[/quote]

Again spot on, politics is a numbers game, the more numbers they have i.e votes, the more power they have, collectively shooters have significant numbers, enough to make a real difference, we just can't unite to use these numbers to our advantage.

[Member-Deleted]

...they are not all as stupid as you think they are...Narcissism, certainly at the heights of power, usually comes with a good degree of intelligence, & you (we/civilians) are their puppet..


.![/quote]

Agree, they have the intelligence, what many are lacking inis ethics and morals.

[bullzeye]

Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?

Not me..

How hard was it to get this license?

I’m looking at:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf

Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?

Na, I don’t have Cat C. I’m in the city and not a primary producer.

Thought there might be a few country guys on here with Cat C who could share their experiences and the licensing process.

After reading this: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Primary ... ctivities/

If you are a cattle farmer, dairy farm or similar - you would obviously qualify as a primary producer.

[tom604]

not a chance in h3ll, have a very slim chance of getting cans for centrefires (still loud) less of a chance for rimfire (very quiet), if i remember correctly a copper was killed on his front porch with a .22 (multiple shots) and no one heard a thing so they banned silencers. not sure if anyone was caught over the killing or how they knew a silencer was used

[Member-Deleted]

not a chance in h3ll, have a very slim chance of getting cans for centrefires (still loud) less of a chance for rimfire (very quiet), if i remember correctly a copper was killed on his front porch with a .22 (multiple shots) and no one heard a thing so they banned silencers. not sure if anyone was caught over the killing or how they knew a silencer was used

Mate, they don't use or need sound evidence, well they have not relied on it so far, this issue is only a small part of the big picture, that being, control through disarmament, nothing much will change for the better until we (shooters) are able to get our representatives into parliaments in numbers where the government of the day has to deal with us to get things done.

[Daddybang]

Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?

Not me..

How hard was it to get this license?

I’m looking at:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf

Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?

Na, I don’t have Cat C. I’m in the city and not a primary producer.

Thought there might be a few country guys on here with Cat C who could share their experiences and the licensing process.

After reading this: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Primary ... ctivities/

If you are a cattle farmer, dairy farm or similar - you would obviously qualify as a primary producer.

Only if ya earn a certain amount a year...I think it's around twenty? Grand. It's something that annoys me. My neighbor has the same land same problems with ferals coming in fro the state forest that surrounds us the only difference is he sells his stock and makes the threshold for primary producer and is eligible for a cat c whereas I use a small mob of cattle for a meat supply and only sell the odd foal so I'm not eligible!!

[Member-Deleted]

Any guys here with a Cat C license got semi-auto 22s?

Not me..

How hard was it to get this license?

I’m looking at:

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... _TABLE.pdf

Are you a Primary Producer under the Tax Act?
Are you a paid professional pest controller earning most of your income from shooting vertebrate pests?

Na, I don’t have Cat C. I’m in the city and not a primary producer.

Thought there might be a few country guys on here with Cat C who could share their experiences and the licensing process.

After reading this: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/Primary ... ctivities/

If you are a cattle farmer, dairy farm or similar - you would obviously qualify as a primary producer.

Only if ya earn a certain amount a year...I think it's around twenty? Grand. It's something that annoys me. My neighbor has the same land same problems with ferals coming in fro the state forest that surrounds us the only difference is he sells his stock and makes the threshold for primary producer and is eligible for a cat c whereas I use a small mob of cattle for a meat supply and only sell the odd foal so I'm not eligible!!

The ridiculous thing in Queensland is the authorities have this, "primary source of income" requirement guideline happening, I know several primary producers who have been knocked back on their cat "H" renewals because they derive income from sources outside of the property, given what you have said, they appear to be using the same lame excuse for cat "C" as well.

Practicalities have never been part of the equation with the disarmament focused governments, they don't care that an animal that needs to be put down because it is suffering, or that feral animals don't base their activities on where you gain your income from, they still need controlling and dealing with regardless.

[marksman]

"""Do a Google search for the NSW academic report into the use of sound moderators; then try to figure out why our local pollies are so dead set against them.

[/quote]

They certainly have conflicting principals, the authorities regulate that we must run sound moderators (mufflers) on motorvehicles, they regulate to restrict the amount of noise emitted by industry and domestic sources, but go completely the opposite with respect to firearms, [/quote]


Biggest problem is that the pollies don't believe the science of sound moderators. They're too blinkered believing what they see in the movies. Most of them are Oxygen thieves who don't deserve anybody's vote.[/quote][/quote]


Guys,
dont be so foolish to think pollies "dont believe the science of moderators"...they are not all as stupid as you think they are...Narcissism, certainly at the heights of power, usually comes with a good degree of intelligence, & you (we/civilians) are their puppet..
Our system has developed a way of it being acceptable for pollies to NOT be held to account for their actions in any REAL WORLD sense.
& that flows through every level of society.
Down to the point where if all else fails, just be claim to be offended & at someone else & plead anxiety & depression & all will be forgiven.

The only science at hand here is propoganda--dystopian literature is the term i read & think it fits our society prrfectly...& if you understand its process you will see thats how our country is run..!!

Its a numbers science mate-& the easiest way for them to gain &/or hold power is to get the numbers, by training people to be stupid & vote for them.
If "the numbers" demanded moderators, we would have them -regardless of the science...!!!
Example--the negative propoganda post Pt Arthur, resulted in the laws we have now...

They dont believe what they see in the movies...!!
Thats all part of the propoganda, the fear instilled in people that invokes a reaction to give them what they want....carbon tax to "protect the envoronment" is another example...its negative propoganda to invoke a reaction for stupid people to believe they are not being taxed more...simples...![/quote]

I just read this out loud to my wife because I am so impressed with what you have said

[sungazer]

For Primary Production you don't need to be over any limit. The 20 Grand threshold is if you have a second income that you would like to claim primary production losses against. Without the 20k you can continue to carry forward your primary production deductions/losses many years worth until your primary production income/turnover is above 20k at which time you can use it as offset against a second income.
You should be able to be a registered Primary Producer with just one cow. Anything you sell must be declared as income. I started a Stud farm 35 years ago with one cow that was pregnant and had a calf at foot. Back then it was much harder "apparently". I was able to do it with just my 1 cow and get a primary producer tax number which meant all goods were able to be bought without Sales Tax saved heaps off my first chainsaw . It was just a case of setting up like a business which in reality just meant setting up a business name and a bank account.

[Sergeant Hartman]

I agree with six, very well written mate.

I wish I had a few more acres... but 6acres would hardly justify getting a cat C firearm .... makes me sad , makes my wife happy.... so happy wife happy life.. or so some say.

Again I can't really see any reason apart from novelty that a semi auto be better... or is the issue more so that of why can't we have them, just cuz we should as we are law abiding firearm users. Lol

Sounds moderators, would on the other hand truly be a beneficial thing to any firearm owner.

[Member-Deleted]

I agree with six, very well written mate.

I wish I had a few more acres... but 6acres would hardly justify getting a cat C firearm .... makes me sad , makes my wife happy.... so happy wife happy life.. or so some say.

Again I can't really see any reason apart from novelty that a semi auto be better... or is the issue more so that of why can't we have them, just cuz we should as we are law abiding firearm users. Lol

Sounds moderators, would on the other hand truly be a beneficial thing to any firearm owner.

I have a mate that makes a good primary production living of 5 acres, he grows baby leaf and tomatoes hydroponically, but I think it would be hard for him justify the need for a semi auto to keep the birds out of the tunnel houses, the thing that irks me is we should not have to justify need, once we have a shooters license, it does not matter what type of firearm we have, and the statistics back that stance up.

The semi auto and other restrictions are not based on rationale, the main considerations of the major parties are to get as many votes as they can by trying to be seen to be tough on gun control, in the process they aim to make it as restrictive and hard as possible for people to legally possess a firearm.

[Daddybang]

For Primary Production you don't need to be over any limit. The 20 Grand threshold is if you have a second income that you would like to claim primary production losses against. Without the 20k you can continue to carry forward your primary production deductions/losses many years worth until your primary production income/turnover is above 20k at which time you can use it as offset against a second income.
You should be able to be a registered Primary Producer with just one cow. Anything you sell must be declared as income. I started a Stud farm 35 years ago with one cow that was pregnant and had a calf at foot. Back then it was much harder "apparently". I was able to do it with just my 1 cow and get a primary producer tax number which meant all goods were able to be bought without Sales Tax saved heaps off my first chainsaw . It was just a case of setting up like a business which in reality just meant setting up a business name and a bank account.

I applied for an abn and primary producer about 18 months ago and was told because I was not selling my beef only using it for meat (basically so I don't have to waste money at the local coles)I am not eligible for primary production. I got the abn anyway as I occasionally subcontract doing tours.

[Stix]

Agree, they have the intelligence, what many are lacking inis ethics and morals.

Yes mate...its medical terms i believe are 'sociopath', &/or 'narcissism'...

Socio's & Narc's have both 'puppets' & 'victims'...

Look within shooting affiliations & you will see it--the bigger ones usually more so...!! (If you get my drift)...
Almost any "body" (workplace, affiliation/group etc) has them in rule as unfortunately that is where they shine...

Its a fine line between the 'issue ridden hungry to exercise power' type, & the 'highly intelligent narcissist power hungry' type...
The latter will seldom stand out as a negative option...

[Stix]

Is it just my screen, or is there something a miss with the "quotes" on this thread...

So many quotes in other quotes, people are getting quoted for what others have said...

Even though i can JUST follow it, its very confusing while drinking whisky by the combustion heater...!!!

Can mods engineer the system in such a way as to automatically drop off a quote (maybe the first in a string when quoted) so the 'mis quoting' doesnt happen...?