"Firearms storage at SSAA Springvale Range"

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"Firearms storage at SSAA Springvale Range"

Post by Tiger650 » 19 Jul 2018, 3:54 pm

Received an email ex SSAA stating that they are considering installing firearms lockers at Springvale range and asking what I would be prepared to pay to use one.
The proposal is plainly intended to replace a members gun safe home storage arrangements.

Do these people work for the Greens ?

A item on The Confiscators wish list is "Centralised Armouries" [few location to seize all firearms on the long awaited "day"]

Having the SSAA propose this will plainly weaken any future argument against.
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Post by RoginaJack » 19 Jul 2018, 4:02 pm

That comes as a complete surprise! The SSAA and others have been dead set against centralised storage and for glaring obvious reasons. How this will and would affect your insurance and "place of storage" with the weapons licencing branch will be a minefield. Also, there are many, many more questions, not least re 24 hours security, collection times etc.

OR is this just fake news?
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Post by Tiger650 » 19 Jul 2018, 4:23 pm

OR is this just fake news?

I reckon if I received it other SSAA Vic members will have also.

Not sure how to interpret your comment so will refrain from posting a reply I may regret.
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Post by No1_49er » 19 Jul 2018, 5:01 pm

If you are so dead set against it, as I would be, write to SSAA Vic and tell them in no uncertain terms what you think of their proposal, and why.
Don't just sit back and whinge about it.
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Post by Wombat » 19 Jul 2018, 5:26 pm

Whats the issue? There are other storage places and lots of shops that store for a fee already.
SSAA isn't talking about making it compulsory are they?
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Post by No1Mk3 » 19 Jul 2018, 5:28 pm

Why whinge? You obviously have not thought through your position, literally hundreds of shooters have to store their firearms at places like Kennards and Storage King, and many smaller places for one reason or another, all SSAA propose is to possibly offer members an alternative to these arrangements, not to promote Central Storage philosophies. You are jumping to conclusions without considering the reasons, or even asking before leaping.
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Post by Tiger650 » 19 Jul 2018, 7:18 pm

Not aware that I was whinging but I suppose that is your interpretation, if so please cease whinging about my whinging.

Reason for my concerns were clearly stated but I shall repeat.

Unless the Greens and others are off their game they will have this to refute any arguments against a "Central Armoury" proposal.

Plain enough ?
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Post by Wombat » 19 Jul 2018, 7:55 pm

How? If anything it would be an example to show the resources that would be required and the impracticability of it being mandated. As I said before there are storage places for firearms already in existence.
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Jul 2018, 8:06 pm

Tell em to f*** right off and if they keep that line of thinking going they can shove their membership! bunch of f***ing turn coats!
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Jul 2018, 8:07 pm

Tiger650 wrote:OR is this just fake news?

I reckon if I received it other SSAA Vic members will have also.

Not sure how to interpret your comment so will refrain from posting a reply I may regret.


Others have had the same email sent to them! :thumbsdown:
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Jul 2018, 8:10 pm

Wombat wrote:Whats the issue? There are other storage places and lots of shops that store for a fee already.
SSAA isn't talking about making it compulsory are they?


Not yet but no doubt that will be their aim as it will make them $$$ (history shows they are all about the $$$ these days).
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Post by Archie » 19 Jul 2018, 8:13 pm

You’re being a bit melodramatic. St Mary’s range in Sydney has a similar setup for members to rent a locker for pistols or rifles. It’s less than a third the cost of Kennards, and it makes firearm ownership possible for people who can’t install a safe because they are renting, or there is nowhere suitable in their house or their living arrangements make it otherwise difficult (for example, students or young people living at home and mum doesn’t want the guns in the house). Making the sport more accessible to a larger group of people is generally a good thing isn’t it?

EDIT just to clarify, Kennard’s in Sydney charges 90 bucks a month for a 3 rifle (5 if you squeeze) locker, so it ain’t cheap at more than a grand a year. SSAA storage is around $300.
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Jul 2018, 8:18 pm

Archie wrote:You’re being a bit melodramatic. St Mary’s range in Sydney has a similar setup for members to rent a locker for pistols or rifles. It’s less than a third the cost of Kennards, and it makes firearm ownership possible for people who can’t install a safe because they are renting, or there is nowhere suitable in their house or their living arrangements make it otherwise difficult (for example, students or young people living at home and mum doesn’t want the guns in the house). Making the sport more accessible to a larger group of people is generally a good thing isn’t it?


So you'd be happy to have all your firearms stored at some range? be careful what you think is a good idea as it may become compulsory. It all starts with one small step or idea afterall. Just have a look at what we used to have and what we have now. :thumbsup:
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Post by Archie » 19 Jul 2018, 9:11 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
Archie wrote:You’re being a bit melodramatic. St Mary’s range in Sydney has a similar setup for members to rent a locker for pistols or rifles. It’s less than a third the cost of Kennards, and it makes firearm ownership possible for people who can’t install a safe because they are renting, or there is nowhere suitable in their house or their living arrangements make it otherwise difficult (for example, students or young people living at home and mum doesn’t want the guns in the house). Making the sport more accessible to a larger group of people is generally a good thing isn’t it?


So you'd be happy to have all your firearms stored at some range? be careful what you think is a good idea as it may become compulsory. It all starts with one small step or idea afterall. Just have a look at what we used to have and what we have now. :thumbsup:


Well, I did have all my firearms stored at the range for a while when I was renting. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to have any... I mean, there is a balancing act to this as well. Storage is a significant barrier to getting people (especially people who live in cities in apartments) involved in the sport. And remember, these days the number of people that live in apartments where it can be hard to mount a safe is growing a lot faster than the number of people in houses. Licensing etc is already painful enough. Having fairly cheap range lockers helps. The more people who join the shooting sports, the more votes there are in it and the better community acceptance gets. And that stops stupid laws getting passed like making central storage compulsory. More shooters = fewer dumb laws, is the hope.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 19 Jul 2018, 9:15 pm

I too got the email, while the conspiracy theorist in me thinks it's a first step towards centralized storage, but the other side thinks that it has a good purpose for ppl renting, etc plus I think it's more towards them making more money. As two odd the the questions on the survey are related to usage and how much tipu are likely to pay

Anyway as I don't have a need for it, I answered no.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 19 Jul 2018, 9:30 pm

The SSAA benefit enormously from the genuine reason requirement, this is the forerunner for another legislated cash cow for the SSAA, the anti gun lobby is calling for mandatory centralised storage, so what do the SSAA do, they play right into their hands, I hope their members tell them in no uncertain terms to dump this stupid idea.
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Post by bigfellascott » 19 Jul 2018, 10:03 pm

Archie wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:
Archie wrote:You’re being a bit melodramatic. St Mary’s range in Sydney has a similar setup for members to rent a locker for pistols or rifles. It’s less than a third the cost of Kennards, and it makes firearm ownership possible for people who can’t install a safe because they are renting, or there is nowhere suitable in their house or their living arrangements make it otherwise difficult (for example, students or young people living at home and mum doesn’t want the guns in the house). Making the sport more accessible to a larger group of people is generally a good thing isn’t it?


So you'd be happy to have all your firearms stored at some range? be careful what you think is a good idea as it may become compulsory. It all starts with one small step or idea afterall. Just have a look at what we used to have and what we have now. :thumbsup:


Well, I did have all my firearms stored at the range for a while when I was renting. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to have any... I mean, there is a balancing act to this as well. Storage is a significant barrier to getting people (especially people who live in cities in apartments) involved in the sport. And remember, these days the number of people that live in apartments where it can be hard to mount a safe is growing a lot faster than the number of people in houses. Licensing etc is already painful enough. Having fairly cheap range lockers helps. The more people who join the shooting sports, the more votes there are in it and the better community acceptance gets. And that stops stupid laws getting passed like making central storage compulsory. More shooters = fewer dumb laws, is the hope.


Nup that's a stupid way to think mate, we have more firearms owners now than anytime in history and yet we still have stupid laws, the best way to fix that is not to hope but to vote the SFFP and the likes in, then and only then may we get fairer firearms laws instead of the crap we cop these days. :drinks:

I've rented to mate, I didn't as permission to put a safe in I just did it. Not sure why owning a firearm in an apartment is a barrier to putting a safe in? :unknown:
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Post by Archie » 20 Jul 2018, 10:02 am

Can get a bit tricky finding somewhere to bolt it down to on the 20th floor of a Meriton box. Can be done but its not the easiest thing in the world.
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Post by bigfellascott » 20 Jul 2018, 10:14 am

Archie wrote:Can get a bit tricky finding somewhere to bolt it down to on the 20th floor of a Meriton box. Can be done but its not the easiest thing in the world.


Find somewhere better to live then :D I would never live in a big city, just can't deal with all the restrictions that it entails, I'm more a bush and freedom type person myself :thumbsup:
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Post by marksman » 20 Jul 2018, 6:16 pm

I have been hearing rumours about the ssaa wanting to try this for quite some time
it is another cash cow for the ssaa :shock:
just like the ssaa firearm safety course they are hoping will become accepted as a need for new comers before they can apply for there licence
ssaavic.com.au/firearms-safety-course-goes-live/
they think if there is no backlash to it, it will become the norm and they will be the innovator
with friends like these who needs enemy's :thumbsdown:
the ssaa suck :crazy:
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Post by Wombat » 20 Jul 2018, 6:29 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
Archie wrote:Can get a bit tricky finding somewhere to bolt it down to on the 20th floor of a Meriton box. Can be done but its not the easiest thing in the world.


Find somewhere better to live then :D I would never live in a big city, just can't deal with all the restrictions that it entails, I'm more a bush and freedom type person myself :thumbsup:


And that's great :thumbsup: But not everyone has the choice, work , family , healthcare etc etc ties a lot of people to major cities. I even own a house where I want to live but there's SFA work so I'm renting in Melbourne :unknown:
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Post by Wombat » 20 Jul 2018, 6:32 pm

marksman wrote:I have been hearing rumours about the ssaa wanting to try this for quite some time
it is another cash cow for the ssaa :shock:
just like the ssaa firearm safety course they are hoping will become accepted as a need for new comers before they can apply for there licence
ssaavic.com.au/firearms-safety-course-goes-live/
they think if there is no backlash to it, it will become the norm and they will be the innovator
with friends like these who needs enemy's :thumbsdown:
the ssaa suck :crazy:

Are the club's minutes available to members or is this a secret agenda?
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Post by No1_49er » 20 Jul 2018, 6:55 pm

Wombat wrote:Are the club's minutes available to members or is this a secret agenda?


If you are a member of the SSAA Springvale Branch, you would be entitled to ask to see a copy of meeting minutes.
Your question suggests a couple of possibilities though. You ARE a member but you don't attend the meetings, in which case you really don't give a shyte about how your branch is run.
Or, you ARE a member but have failed to advise the Branch Secretary of your email address so that those minutes can be distributed to you. Almost as bad as the first scenario.
If you ARE a Springvale Branch member and you don't know what is going on, you have absolutely no right to complain about the direction the Branch might be taking. A bit like politics really; vote or quit complaining.

But, if you are not a member, you might be pushing the proverbial uphill trying to get a copy.

It's rather tiresome to go to committee meetings of a Branch with several hundred members, and regularly see the same dozen or so at those meetings. Complaints are dealt with as you might expect, if you can get my drift from the above.
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Post by marksman » 20 Jul 2018, 7:17 pm

Wombat wrote:
marksman wrote:I have been hearing rumours about the ssaa wanting to try this for quite some time
it is another cash cow for the ssaa :shock:
just like the ssaa firearm safety course they are hoping will become accepted as a need for new comers before they can apply for there licence
ssaavic.com.au/firearms-safety-course-goes-live/
they think if there is no backlash to it, it will become the norm and they will be the innovator
with friends like these who needs enemy's :thumbsdown:
the ssaa suck :crazy:

Are the club's minutes available to members or is this a secret agenda?


you are so funny Wombat :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Wombat » 20 Jul 2018, 7:47 pm

No1_49er wrote:
Wombat wrote:Are the club's minutes available to members or is this a secret agenda?


If you are a member of the SSAA Springvale Branch, you would be entitled to ask to see a copy of meeting minutes.
Your question suggests a couple of possibilities though. You ARE a member but you don't attend the meetings, in which case you really don't give a shyte about how your branch is run.
Or, you ARE a member but have failed to advise the Branch Secretary of your email address so that those minutes can be distributed to you. Almost as bad as the first scenario.
If you ARE a Springvale Branch member and you don't know what is going on, you have absolutely no right to complain about the direction the Branch might be taking. A bit like politics really; vote or quit complaining.

But, if you are not a member, you might be pushing the proverbial uphill trying to get a copy.

It's rather tiresome to go to committee meetings of a Branch with several hundred members, and regularly see the same dozen or so at those meetings. Complaints are dealt with as you might expect, if you can get my drift from the above.


I was a member, then I had a RO basically demand money with menaces as my membership had lapsed by a week. Put my nose out of joint. Long story, but I dont have to/need to be a SSAA member. If I start using the range enough again I may rejoin just for the savings in fees.
I also dont see where I have made a complaint (previous to the 2 lines above), I have merely asked if there is any evidence of others assertions and stated that I believed the proposal was benign in nature.
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Post by sungazer » 20 Jul 2018, 7:57 pm

I also believe that SSAA is not acting for the benefit of their members but for cash. The safety course they are trying to create a monopoly and have their safety coarse written into the requirements to getting a license. In Vic a lot of gun shops run License Nights where they go over all the topics then immediately after you sit the test. The local DFO is there to do the administration.
The locker storage I dont see a conspiracy in that only another service that they can offer to get better return on the property.
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Post by marksman » 20 Jul 2018, 8:21 pm

Wombat I would agree with you that the proposal would be benign in nature "if" there were no fee :drinks:
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Post by Tiger650 » 20 Jul 2018, 8:51 pm

Thanks gents for balancing the argument.

I was pissed off at being described as a "whinger" [twice in consecutive posts] by people who may or may not have an interest in an organisation which should be the Australian NRA but in my view are Quislings.

"Why whinge? You obviously have not thought through your position, literally hundreds of shooters have to store their firearms at places like Kennards and Storage King"

I know very many shooters but not one of the "hundreds" who store their firearms away from home, I would welcome any justification for the above statement, I suspect it is a lie in that the bloke who posted it would not know.

BTW I know a Plumber who paid to store an expensive excavator in the yard of one of the companies named above, they also rented office space and had a drug dealer living in one, the machine and the drug dealer disappeared at the same time.

The Plumber became aware of the circumstances and initiated legal action, he was told to f#$k off, the storage company had money and Lawyers it would never end.

Just the sort of folks you want storing firearms for which you are responsible.

If you cannot find space to install even a basic firearms safe you must be homeless ?

If "Mum" does not like firearms in the house move out !
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 21 Jul 2018, 8:01 am

sungazer wrote:I also believe that SSAA is not acting for the benefit of their members but for cash. The safety course they are trying to create a monopoly and have their safety coarse written into the requirements to getting a license. In Vic a lot of gun shops run License Nights where they go over all the topics then immediately after you sit the test. The local DFO is there to do the administration.
The locker storage I dont see a conspiracy in that only another service that they can offer to get better return on the property.



Mate not sure where you getting your info from... maybe you live in a different vic... never seen a gun shop offering safety course. I contacted the police station where i lodged application they told me when the next FREE safety course evening was being run... at the local German club. The ssaa ppl were running it... but it was free
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Post by Archie » 21 Jul 2018, 10:57 am

Tiger, I don’t know about Victoria specifically but there really are hundreds who use that sort of storage in NSW. Not many Kennard’s have gun lockers but the one near me has around 100 rifle safes and similar number of pistol saves and there is about a two month wait list. I would guess that St Mary’s range has many more - I think my old safe number was in the 500s - and again there is (or used to be at least) a wait list. So people really do use these things, it’s not made up.
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