H6 Specialised Target Pistol

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H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Rider888 » 26 Jul 2018, 10:39 am

Folks in the know, can you please advise on the following:

On the NSW PTA, it states that I can apply for category H6 Specialised Target Pistol

I understand that I cant be a on PPL but are there any other things I need to do to apply for H6 or do I just tick the H6 box on my PTA and submit it?

To help, a H6 Specialised Target Pistol is one with a Barrel Length of under 120.

I cannot find anything that states that I need to have completed a particular course to be eligible for a Specialised Pistol and frankly, I would just love to have something like a Beretta Pico or a Glock G26/G43 or the likes

Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my question would be related solely to NSW regulations

Thank you
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by pomemax » 26 Jul 2018, 1:56 pm

I never even looked at that the club secretary is you best bet ,personally I would imagine it would be outside of your permit /licence 120 mm semi auto 100 mm revolver target endorsement
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Cryptic » 26 Jul 2018, 2:16 pm

If anything like QLD under 120mm needs to be security organisation, armourer or collectors licence.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Cryptic » 26 Jul 2018, 2:24 pm

2 extracts from the NSW firearn amendments Prohibited pistols act sort of explai s what is pertaining to.

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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Rider888 » 26 Jul 2018, 3:13 pm

Cryptic wrote:2 extracts from the NSW firearn amendments Prohibited pistols act sort of explai s what is pertaining to.

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Yes but it not deemed to be a prohibited pistol.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Chinballs » 26 Jul 2018, 4:36 pm

Rider888 wrote:On the NSW PTA, it states that I can apply for category H6 Specialised Target Pistol

I cannot find anything that states that I need to have completed a particular course to be eligible for a Specialised Pistol and frankly, I would just love to have something like a Beretta Pico or a Glock G26/G43 or the likes

Any advice would be greatly appreciated and my question would be related solely to NSW regulations

Thank you


It has to be specifically designed for Olympic competition. There is no way you will get approved for anything else. This was explored by a member at my old club who had a habit of "finding" loopholes that were easily closed by Firearms Registry. If it was as easy as ticking a box to get a Glock 26 every man and his dog would do it and there would be no point in having minimum barrel lengths. Remember, the only reason to have a pistol is target shooting ergo every pistol would be a specialised target pistol. Use some common sense.

Next you will come up with the brilliant idea of becoming a dealer or armourer so you can have anything you want. Hint: It isn't that easy. Everything you have thought off has been tried before.

Sorry to sound like an asshole but I deal with these questions every week working at a gun club. Drives me insane.

The only Glock 26 you are gonna get on a normal sporting license is one with an extended barrel like the one below. Glock 26 with Lone Wolf Glock M19XL barrel cut down to 120mm. Barrel has been threaded to make it look like it has a reason to exist. For anyone curious, a G17 or 34 barrel will not work, the locking lug in the 19 and 26 is different.
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Now, if you want some helpful information I recommend getting your NSW Collector license. It is much easier to get post 1947 collectables in NSW than QLD or Victoria. If you are in the SSAA that will be enough of a genuine reason. There are no barrel length or magazine capacity restrictions with a Collector license. My mate has a S&W Shield, a Commander length 1911, Remington 870 plus some other stuff on his Collector license. You can't shoot them except under certain circumstances though.

Cryptic wrote:If anything like QLD under 120mm needs to be security organisation, armourer or collectors licence.


Incorrect.

You can have a semi automatic with a less than 120mm barrel or a revolver with a less than 100mm barrel on a normal QLD Cat H provided it:

is semi automatic and has a barrel length of less than 120mm unless it has an overall length of at least 250mm measured parallel to the barrel

is not semi automatic (e.g. revolvers and single shot pistols) and has a barrel length of less than 100 mm unless it has an overall length of at least 250 mm measured parallel to the barrel

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/ ... pons/catH/

A member of my club has some weird ass semi pistol with a sub 120mm barrel and Weapons rang to question the barrel length but when he pointed out the OAL they approved his PTA no worries.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by bullzeye » 26 Jul 2018, 7:23 pm

So if you’re going to shoot in ISSF you should be able to get a Specialised Target Pistol.

Is that what you are looking to do Rider? Does your club support/ endorse this?
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Cryptic » 26 Jul 2018, 8:37 pm

In my 1st pic I put up it says in the opinion of the commissioner is of distinctive size and shape and is used in ISSF. Seems clear enough that you need to follow up on ISSF rules of what is allowed.

I forgot about the 250mm overall bit Chinballs. Not too many will end up at that length though as you said usually the weird ones.
Seen stuff at 118mm that has just scraped in. Think Walther and H&K have some come in around that.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Rider888 » 27 Jul 2018, 7:57 am

bullzeye wrote:So if you’re going to shoot in ISSF you should be able to get a Specialised Target Pistol.

Is that what you are looking to do Rider? Does your club support/ endorse this?


I dont know, I just wanted to know if I could get a G26 if I wanted to. Likely not though
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by bullzeye » 27 Jul 2018, 9:39 am

I think Chinballs, as above has all the info. Too hard for standard Cat H shooter.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by bullzeye » 27 Jul 2018, 9:43 am

Chinballs wrote:Now, if you want some helpful information I recommend getting your NSW Collector license. It is much easier to get post 1947 collectables in NSW than QLD or Victoria. If you are in the SSAA that will be enough of a genuine reason. There are no barrel length or magazine capacity restrictions with a Collector license. My mate has a S&W Shield, a Commander length 1911, Remington 870 plus some other stuff on his Collector license. You can't shoot them except under certain circumstances though.


Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the forum.

Can I ask for people in NSW on a collectors license, under what circumstances/ how often can they shoot their post 1947 handguns?

I’ve ‘heard’ things like the guns really only get to be shot once a year - but would appreciate your input if you have more concrete details.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Chinballs » 27 Jul 2018, 11:42 am

bullzeye wrote:Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the forum.

Can I ask for people in NSW on a collectors license, under what circumstances/ how often can they shoot their post 1947 handguns?

I’ve ‘heard’ things like the guns really only get to be shot once a year - but would appreciate your input if you have more concrete details.


In NSW your collector club would need to apply for a permit to hold a collector shoot. The frequency of events would depend on your club but they are not held very often. Once a year seems to be the norm but I am unsure if that is due to NSW Firearms Regitsry not approving them more often or there is not much interest from clubs themselves. Remember that Collector licenses are a very small minority of an already very small group of license holders.

If you have had anbything to do with getting a Cat H license you would know that for some reasons many clubs act like secret societies and hate giving out any information about anything. When it comes to Collector licenses it is even worse and a lot of people have no idea how to get one so just tell prospective license holders its all too hard.

My mate in NSW just rang Firearms Registry. They told him which form he needed, what proof of genuine reason and eveyrthing else in the space of ten minutes on the phone whereas all he got from his club and others was the usual run around and dodgy information based on nothing but "the vibe" people had.

I got my Collector license in QLD and received more helpful information just by ringing Weapons Licensing, the guy even gave me tips on my application to ensure it would be approved. On my QLD license I currently have a FN 1906 .25ACP (same as a Baby Browning), Colt M1903 pocket hammerless .32ACP and a FN 1910 .32ACP. I have a FN 1900 .32ACP on the way as well. I wouldn't mind a decent pre '47 Hi-Power but they are a bit expensive. Unfortunately in QLD they make you wait two years from obtaining your collector license until they will give you post '47 handguns. You also need a theme for your collection. Mine is the designs of John Moses Browning. Ultimately I want a nice Commander and Officer sized 1911 but I have to wait until I get my post '47 endorsement for those.

Victoria is harder again for post '47 handguns. From memory you must hold your licence for two years and own fifteen(?) pre '47 handguns before you can add post '47.

The whole system is designed to stop people like the OP from easily getting what would normally be a prohibited pistol. It's not hard, it just takes ages.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by bullzeye » 27 Jul 2018, 3:38 pm

Chinballs, much appreciate your detailed reply on this.

Another question if you feel like sharing - how does the ammo purchase work on a collectors license?

Eg you have calibres that you don’t have under your Cat H license. Do you just show the gun shop your rego papers for that particular collectors firearms and they will let you purchase as much ammo as you please? IE the same process as purchasing ammo for regular Cat H Firearms?
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by Chinballs » 27 Jul 2018, 6:51 pm

bullzeye wrote:Another question if you feel like sharing - how does the ammo purchase work on a collectors license?

Eg you have calibres that you don’t have under your Cat H license. Do you just show the gun shop your rego papers for that particular collectors firearms and they will let you purchase as much ammo as you please? IE the same process as purchasing ammo for regular Cat H Firearms?


I can't actually answer that as I don't know. All my mate's pistols are in calibres he already reloaded for so he has not had to buy factory ammo. I moved from NSW before obtaining my Collector license and QLD doesn't have those stupid requirements for purchasing ammo, I can just pick up a box of .32 whenever I need it.

I would assume in NSW it's the same as regular Cat H ammo purchases and the procedure you described would apply. If I was in NSW I would ring Firearms Registry and get a proper answer but if my experience with gun shops is anything to go by I would assume almost all of them would want to see your rego papers anyway even if they didn't actually have to. Most places err on the side of caution which is understandable.
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Re: H6 Specialised Target Pistol

Post by bullzeye » 28 Jul 2018, 8:12 am

Makes sense. Thanks again for your expertise here Chinballs - think many of us will find your info helpful.
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