Daddybang wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:The first thing that occurs to me is what would the behaviour of someone seeking to ensure they complied with the law look like? If it was me, knowing the consequences for breaking the law, I may have a head torch on me when out deer shooting, but no way would l have a spotlight in the car. That is pretty challenging to explain away. Also, if you do happen to get caught out after dark, having shot a deer, would you not also take every precaution to secure your firearm and ammunition? For me that would mean bolt and magazine removed (where relevant) and ammunition stowed away. I have no idea of the merits or otherwise of the case against these people. What it does tell me is that a prudent law abiding hunter would do everything in their power to remove the opportunity for law enforcement to ask troubling questions about their behaviour. At the end of the day your the person facing all the stress and inconvenience of going through the court process. Better to prevent it from even starting by demonstrating that you are utterly compliant with the law.
Yep
southwest shooter wrote:Good , throw the book at them .
Bruiser64 wrote:The first thing that occurs to me is what would the behaviour of someone seeking to ensure they complied with the law look like? If it was me, knowing the consequences for breaking the law, I may have a head torch on me when out deer shooting, but no way would l have a spotlight in the car. That is pretty challenging to explain away. Also, if you do happen to get caught out after dark, having shot a deer, would you not also take every precaution to secure your firearm and ammunition? For me that would mean bolt and magazine removed (where relevant) and ammunition stowed away. I have no idea of the merits or otherwise of the case against these people. What it does tell me is that a prudent law abiding hunter would do everything in their power to remove the opportunity for law enforcement to ask troubling questions about their behaviour. At the end of the day your the person facing all the stress and inconvenience of going through the court process. Better to prevent it from even starting by demonstrating that you are utterly compliant with the law.
Gaznazdiak wrote:As someone who doesn't live where there are any other than farmed deer, I'm a little confused at the protection of a feral pest species.
It may be a dumbarse question, but why aren't they treated like other invasive pests?
If they were found with a dead pig in the ute they'd be praised.
Bigjobss wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:As someone who doesn't live where there are any other than farmed deer, I'm a little confused at the protection of a feral pest species.
It may be a dumbarse question, but why aren't they treated like other invasive pests?
If they were found with a dead pig in the ute they'd be praised.
I would say these days the major issue is around the safety of spotlighting in a public space.
Bigjobss wrote:I appreciate what you are saying marksman. I am a cynical bastard and dont take generic statements at face value as they are often used to misrepresent, give me cold hard facts and specific details instead of vague defintions.
That being said I dont support the alleged poachers, they are probably guilty and I want to know more about what happened.
Gwion wrote:If you read the linked fact sheet, you can have a 'spotlight' in or on a vehicle as long as it is not in use. Also, a torch used for navigation is not considered a spotlight.
Gwion wrote:If you read the linked fact sheet, you can have a 'spotlight' in or on a vehicle as long as it is not in use. Also, a torch used for navigation is not considered a spotlight.
Gaznazdiak wrote:Bigjobss wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:As someone who doesn't live where there are any other than farmed deer, I'm a little confused at the protection of a feral pest species.
It may be a dumbarse question, but why aren't they treated like other invasive pests?
If they were found with a dead pig in the ute they'd be praised.
I would say these days the major issue is around the safety of spotlighting in a public space.
Oh, OK.
It's actually the spotlighting itself that's the issue, not the deer?
So, they'd have been busted even without the deer, just the spotlight and the rifle on public land after dark?
marksman wrote:Gwion wrote:If you read the linked fact sheet, you can have a 'spotlight' in or on a vehicle as long as it is not in use. Also, a torch used for navigation is not considered a spotlight.
not if there firearm is deemed to be unsecured
Gwion wrote:marksman wrote:Gwion wrote:If you read the linked fact sheet, you can have a 'spotlight' in or on a vehicle as long as it is not in use. Also, a torch used for navigation is not considered a spotlight.
not if there firearm is deemed to be unsecured
Ok. The way i see it, if you go out you should know the law and comply. Simple as that. Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. Some guys i shoot with stir me up about being so 'to the letter' but as i tell them, it's just not worth losing everything for a little bit of laziness or ignorance.
And, in all seriousness, we all know they were in all probability illegally spotlighting in the scenario given.
Even if they weren't illegally spotlighting and got done as described, they were breaking the law, wether they think it's too onerous to comply with or not, it falls on them to ensure they comply with all relevant laws. That's what being a Law Abiding Firearms Owner means.
sungazer wrote:I didnt read the fact sheet which is pretty dumb. I was going off a leaflet that was delivered in the mail "due to living in deer habitat" some years ago when they changed the regulations at that time they quoted with the recent updates in technology and the invent of new high power LED torches that all torches were banned. They must have got some push back if it has changed.
Gwion wrote:sungazer wrote:I didnt read the fact sheet which is pretty dumb. I was going off a leaflet that was delivered in the mail "due to living in deer habitat" some years ago when they changed the regulations at that time they quoted with the recent updates in technology and the invent of new high power LED torches that all torches were banned. They must have got some push back if it has changed.
No worries, mate. But is is good to know that a legitimate hunter can easily avoid any trouble if caught out after dark by simply having rifle unloaded and ammo packed away (ie: not just in a pocket, i would assume.