Weapons Licensing QLD wanting rates notice now

[Member-Deleted]

Why does it even matter if you have a landowner willing to let you shoot on a property just so you can own a firearm? If you can't find somewhere to use a firearm that's your problem, shouldn't be of any interest to the authorities at all. Lots of shooters travel to other places to shoot as well, places that don't require written permission from landowners. What exactly would be the threat to society if every Qld licence holder decided they wanted a .338 Lapua in their safe?

It matters if your genuine reason when applying for a licence is rural/recreational (i.e. hunting), because then you need to already have a place to hunt with landowner permission. It's not unreasonable for a check to be made to ensure the farmer actually did give permission and it's not fraudulent. Maybe a phone call is a sufficient check, as Daddtbang mentioned, and I take his point that some landowners may be turned off by having to provide paperwork. I was responding to the OP's view that a request for a copy of a rates notice was somehow an invasion of (non-existent) privacy

Where are these places that don't require written permission from landowners.to go and shoot (apart from SSAA and gun club ranges)? There is no legal shooting on Crown land in Qld. Yes we could be like lots of shooters who travel to other places to shoot as well, but the commute to NSW or Vic is a bitch.

If every Qld licence holder decided they wanted a .338 Lapua in their safe there is no problem - the point there would be they are already licenced, and have demonstrated a "genuine reason" as required by the current laws, so either they are target or gun club members or have landowner permission. If you can't find somewhere to use a firearm that's your problem true and perhaps it shouldn't be of any interest to the authorities at all but it is ... because their logic is if you don't have somewhere to shoot it i(range or property), why do you need a gun?

The threat to public safety might come from the Martin Bryant type who is neither a target shooter and club member, nor an actual hunter with a property to hunt on, but actually just wants a .338 Lapua in the safe so he can take it out and stroke it. I don't know about you but I am less worried by "the government" than I am about people who really love guns, but don't actually participate in the sport, either by hunting or shooting at a range. They generally own a lot of camo gear and love conspiracy theories.

[dpskipper]

I think I might chip in here.

All the farmers I know (at least in SA) only let trusted people shoot on their property. Such as their family friends or hunting buddies from their trusted long time mates. They don't just let any city slicker start blasting. So if you asked them to give a copy of their rates notice to a hunter using the land, they wouldn't mind because that person is already a trusted individual and they know them well.

YMMV in other states.

[Member-Deleted]

Jesus BBSS that's a big statement '' less worried about governments than people that just like guns''
Mate it sounds like you are painting everybody as the government does who in the hell wants a 338 Lapua just because they can for a start in Qld you need to give a good reason to get a permission slip because of its large caliber this I know from experience
And as for the Martin Bryant type well mate since then we have gone through stringent measures by the government to eliminate the prospect of
someone like him getting his hands on a licence at all so the threat to the public is minimal and back then a licence was not required if you remember
And don't forget he was known to police and let slip through the net
And some people like to collect guns in a workable state but never fire a shot that's one reason to own a gun but that doesn't make them dangerous
in any way shape or form
Mate honestly you are entitled to your opinion and it demands respect but please mate try not to paint people as possible nasties as the government does on a regular basis

[bladeracer]

And some people like to collect guns in a workable state but never fire a shot that's one reason to own a gun but that doesn't make them dangerous in any way shape or form.

Absolutely true GDB.
I'm forming brass tonight for a rifle I bought from a lifetime collector who never fired any of his firearms in decades of owning them, lots and lots of them.

People that love guns are no danger to anybody, they screw up and lose what they love the most.

[Daddybang]

I think I might chip in here.

All the farmers I know (at least in SA) only let trusted people shoot on their property. Such as their family friends or hunting buddies from their trusted long time mates. They don't just let any city slicker start blasting. So if you asked them to give a copy of their rates notice to a hunter using the land, they wouldn't mind because that person is already a trusted individual and they know them well.

YMMV in other states.

Gday DP
Yep I only let people I trust shoot on my property...... Unfortunately its people who I've trusted in the past (including family members) who have screwed me over the worst. Not even shooting related I once had a trusted friend who used some personal papers including a rates notice and tax return to rip off five grand!!. So people can call me paranoid if they like I prefer to think of it as security conscious.!!

[Member-Deleted]

Jesus BBSS that's a big statement '' less worried about governments than people that just like guns''
Mate it sounds like you are painting everybody as the government does who in the hell wants a 338 Lapua just because they can for a start in Qld you need to give a good reason to get a permission slip because of its large caliber this I know from experience
And as for the Martin Bryant type well mate since then we have gone through stringent measures by the government to eliminate the prospect of
someone like him getting his hands on a licence at all so the threat to the public is minimal and back then a licence was not required if you remember
And don't forget he was known to police and let slip through the net
And some people like to collect guns in a workable state but never fire a shot that's one reason to own a gun but that doesn't make them dangerous
in any way shape or form
Mate honestly you are entitled to your opinion and it demands respect but please mate try not to paint people as possible nasties as the government does on a regular basis

I can't tell if you didn't read what was written or just chose to selectively misquote me.I actually wrote I don't really trust people who really love guns, but don't actually participate in the sport, either by hunting or shooting at a range. Mate, we all like guns on this forum, many of us own a couple or more and from what I can tell use them often.
I think you do know the sort I was talking about... they're the reason just about every gun club has a "no camo clothing" rule at the range.

as for the 338 Lapua in every safe, ask Bladercer about that one...I was just replying to his post

[Sergeant Hartman]

Govt dept create this work to justify their existence and to get workers to have something to do.

Had a work safe guy come to my farm, glad my quadbike was private. But a couple things I could see he was making it up as he went along... cuz every time he mentioned the issue his solution was different. So I finally asked him tell me exactly how high you want the rungs on the ladders (on feed silos) removed till to satisfy you.

[Member-Deleted]

I didn't misquote you mate you said in short '' You don't trust people with guns that don't participate in shooting sport and or hunting and shooting at the range
and I said in short there are people that are like that and they are called '' Collectors ''now why are they in the class of not being allowed to own guns
in your mind ?
As far as the 338 I don't have to ask Bladeracer I read your posting and commented on it which is what the forum is for
Mate i'm not taking the piss out of you I am just giving my opinion to your opinion and I think your opinion is too much of a statement in painting
people that have selective hobbies into a possible nastie
As far as camo clothing at ranges that is possibly to try and have a respectable dress type whilst there but i'm not sure
Many people wear camo for all sorts of reasons but there has been times that people have committed crimes whilst wearing camo I agree
And mate I do know what you are talking about but I say it as I see it not how people want me say it also I wasn't selective it was the bits that I
respectfully disagreed with
So mate thanks for the debate that's what this forum is about and I respectfully agree to disagree with some of your post as you do mine so
alls good but we both have good points

Cheers

[Member-Deleted]

That's right DB a rates notice can be used in the 100 point scheme to borrow money in conjunction with a car licence ,gun licence,
marriage licence, you get what I mean all important documents so why put people through the hassle of asking farmers for their rates notices when
the information they have now can trace the farmer and his land I thought computers were to make things easier nowadays
I smell a rat

[bigrich]

Forums are about debating and expressing points of view. We all have common ground on a lot of stuff, but lately some folks seem to taking things too seriously and too personally on some topics . I’m not having a go at anyone, just stating a observation. . We’ve all got a interest in firearms in one form or another, and a lifestyle to go with it. From the collector, to the professional, to the man on the land , to the “f” class shooter at the range. United we stand , divided we fall. My sermon for today, reverend von krico , The order of the devout rimfire

[Member-Deleted]

AMEN to that Father Von Krico couldn't have said it better myself
May the shooting gods be with you

[bigrich]

AMEN to that Father Von Krico couldn't have said it better myself
May the shooting gods be with you

Yay verily brother bushy, blessings upon you and your righteous rem mag. May all your ballistic tips fly straight and true to smite the evil of the ferals. Amen

[Member-Deleted]

Have you got a prayer for my soft point as well father ?

[JSS]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

[dpskipper]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

Well technically if the po po catch you shooting anywhere other than a range (because target shooting is your only genuine reason) then your in s**t. However, once you weigh up the risks and the chance of being caught then you come to a decision. On really big properties you can shoot unlicensed any nobody would know...

If you can see the neighbors then you should probably be squeaky clean lest they call the cozzas

[TheDude]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

Well technically if the po po catch you shooting anywhere other than a range (because target shooting is your only genuine reason) then your in s**t. However, once you weigh up the risks and the chance of being caught then you come to a decision. On really big properties you can shoot unlicensed any nobody would know...

If you can see the neighbors then you should probably be squeaky clean lest they call the cozzas

That’s not the case in Queensland. Even with target shooting as your primary genuine reason you also get hunting on your license.

[Cryptic]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

Well technically if the po po catch you shooting anywhere other than a range (because target shooting is your only genuine reason) then your in s**t. However, once you weigh up the risks and the chance of being caught then you come to a decision. On really big properties you can shoot unlicensed any nobody would know...

If you can see the neighbors then you should probably be squeaky clean lest they call the cozzas

That’s not the case in Queensland. Even with target shooting as your primary genuine reason you also get hunting on your license.

Yep I only applied for target and they put hunting on mine too. I thought it was a mistake so rang and they said that is how it is here.

[dpskipper]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

Well technically if the po po catch you shooting anywhere other than a range (because target shooting is your only genuine reason) then your in s**t. However, once you weigh up the risks and the chance of being caught then you come to a decision. On really big properties you can shoot unlicensed any nobody would know...

If you can see the neighbors then you should probably be squeaky clean lest they call the cozzas

That’s not the case in Queensland. Even with target shooting as your primary genuine reason you also get hunting on your license.

Yep I only applied for target and they put hunting on mine too. I thought it was a mistake so rang and they said that is how it is here.

you queenslanders have it easy!

[JSS]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

Well technically if the po po catch you shooting anywhere other than a range (because target shooting is your only genuine reason) then your in s**t. However, once you weigh up the risks and the chance of being caught then you come to a decision. On really big properties you can shoot unlicensed any nobody would know...

If you can see the neighbors then you should probably be squeaky clean lest they call the cozzas

That’s not the case in Queensland. Even with target shooting as your primary genuine reason you also get hunting on your license.

Yep I only applied for target and they put hunting on mine too. I thought it was a mistake so rang and they said that is how it is here.

you queenslanders have it easy!

Haha yep Qld rocks!!!
But in the other states you've got a very solid reason for wanting hunting for your reason then if that's the case. What a bummer!!

[bladeracer]

My parents have 2 farms, both several hundred acres, my in-laws live on 40 acres (technically big enough to shoot on) of hilly bush filled with furry targets about 30 mins away from my house, but when i wanted to get my license again after letting it lapse years ago i just joined a range because it's bloody easier than all the BS you have to go through with QWL if you state that hunting is your genuine reason.
For what it costs to join ssaa or shooters union i don't know why anyone would bother using the "hunting" option.

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

The reason would be that hunting without hunting as a genuine reason would be breach of your licence conditions...

Firearm licencing in WA has been bad for decades. When I worked in the Kimberly, many of the contractors coming up joined a rifle club to get a rifle so they could do some hunting with while they were up there - illegally.

[Daddybang]

As far as the rates notice, it's just another hurdle they are throwing up to make things more difficult in the hope it stops a few licenses.

Spot on jss