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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 8:11 am

Hi everyone need some advice please, l applied for a firearm license, when i rang LRD to find out the progress they gave me the bad news that it has been denied, back in april 2012 i slapped my daughter for coming home stoned and drunk, at the time she was 13, went to school the next day and teacher asked why are you so sad? she replied my dad hit me. That was it the police got involved and to cut a long story short I went to court and was convicted with the following; CONTRAVENE FAM VIOLENCE INTERVENTN ORDER UNLAWFUL ASSAULT (2 Charges) FAIL TO ANSWER BAIL Result: Aggregate 1 MONTH imprisonment. Concurrent. Sentence is wholly suspended under Section 27 of the Sentencing Act 1991. Operational period is 12 MONTHS 12/04/2012. l also have a bad driving history mainly low level speeding. I cant even go to magistrates court for application 189 because jail term applies to suspended ones as well.Any advice would be greatly appreciated, l really wanted a license to hunt, best regards and safe shooting Tom.
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Post by pomemax » 24 Nov 2018, 8:51 am

https://www.bowhunters.org.au/index.php ... -questions
other than you have a snowballs chance in hell
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Post by grandadbushy » 24 Nov 2018, 9:24 am

G'day sickooli mate i'm not in Victoria i'm in QLD
But In QLD the violence order alone would be enough to stop you from owning a gun
unfortunately we have to sleep in the bed that we have made for ourselves and in your case you have had a couple of bad moments
and the law took it upon themselves to penalise you thus down the line rendering you unworthy to own a gun for breaking the laws the very laws that
are connected to gun ownership
I don't judge you in any way but you certainly have a colourful history of offences although they be rather minor but sometimes we have to take weight of that
and the consequences of breaking them
All I can say about the violence order is sometimes people go too far in dishing out violence orders for disciplining ones child providing it's not violent abuse
on scale
and your daughter it's lucky she didn't have my father or she would still be walking back from where she landed after being hit
Unfortunately we have to live with the laws of the land be they right or wrong in our eyes and you have been convicted of several in the eyes of the law
Mate my best advice would be go see a solicitor and see how it pans out
I wish you luck and if or when you do get permission to own a gun you have chose a handsome sport

Cheers and good luck
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Post by zhuk » 24 Nov 2018, 10:01 am

Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 Nov 2018, 10:13 am

I just had read of the Family Violence Contravention Orders rules and protections.

Now I'm trying really hard not to be judgmental of someone about whom I know nothing except from your comment above, because I know that some people can use AVO and such as a way to "punish" a partner for other things, but mate, your own testimony condemns you I'm afraid.

Having the order placed on you is one thing, that's bad enough, but you admit to contravening it not once but twice, then didn't show up to court when bailed.

So that's 3 instances of domestic violence, that we know of and a proven disregard for judicial process, honestly mate, I think maybe give it ten years and if you can stay out of police attention and not breach the DV order yet again, maybe try then. Probably best you don't have a gun till you can get your mind right on following the rules mate.
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Post by JSS » 24 Nov 2018, 10:20 am

Mate i'm not judging you as sometimes there can be grey areas in life, but going on what you've told us by having the "CONTRAVENE FAM VIOLENCE INTERVENTION ORDER" says you possibly have a history of family violence, then you've gone and ignored a court order (something that really pisses the courts & cops off) and hit your daughter. You've also decided to ignore your bail conditions imposed by the courts.
So my interpretation of this and i apologize if i'm wrong is that you have a problem with your temper and get violent and also choose ignore any punishment or directions you're given to help stop this occurring.
Mate i'm sorry but i reckon they've made the right call and maybe you and guns aren't a good mix, maybe you should take up golf or yoga.

edit: Gaz you beat me to it, you must type faster than me :drinks:
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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 12:05 pm

"JSS"]Mate i'm not judging you as sometimes there can be grey areas in life, but going on what you've told us by having the "CONTRAVENE FAM VIOLENCE INTERVENTION ORDER" says you possibly have a history of family violence, then you've gone and ignored a court order (something that really pisses the courts & cops off) and hit your daughter. You've also decided to ignore your bail conditions imposed by the courts.
So my interpretation of this and i apologize if i'm wrong is that you have a problem with your temper and get violent and also choose ignore any punishment or directions you're given to help stop this occurring.
Mate i'm sorry but i reckon they've made the right call and maybe you and guns aren't a good mix, maybe you should take up golf or yoga.

edit: Gaz you beat me to it, you must type faster than me :drinks:[/quote]
thanks for your advise, all as i did was smack my 13yr old daughter for coming home drunk and stoned,i didnt think its the police's or government or anyone's business for me to give reason to trying to make my kids good people in life, let me say this, the court deemed that it was not safe for my daughter to live with her family, so they ordered her via dhhs to go to a safe home. let me tell everyone that since moving to a safer house she gave birth to 2 kids which my wife and l are raising, this is all before she turned 17, and is still on the drugs. how ironic hay, im 50 yrs old and looking after 2 grand children full time. so please with due respect without knowing some facts , don't say that i have a temper and that i'm violent.
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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 12:09 pm

Thank you for your comments
grandadbushy wrote:G'day sickooli mate i'm not in Victoria i'm in QLD
But In QLD the violence order alone would be enough to stop you from owning a gun
unfortunately we have to sleep in the bed that we have made for ourselves and in your case you have had a couple of bad moments
and the law took it upon themselves to penalise you thus down the line rendering you unworthy to own a gun for breaking the laws the very laws that
are connected to gun ownership
I don't judge you in any way but you certainly have a colourful history of offences although they be rather minor but sometimes we have to take weight of that
and the consequences of breaking them
All I can say about the violence order is sometimes people go too far in dishing out violence orders for disciplining ones child providing it's not violent abuse
on scale
and your daughter it's lucky she didn't have my father or she would still be walking back from where she landed after being hit
Unfortunately we have to live with the laws of the land be they right or wrong in our eyes and you have been convicted of several in the eyes of the law
Mate my best advice would be go see a solicitor and see how it pans out
I wish you luck and if or when you do get permission to own a gun you have chose a handsome sport

Cheers and good luck
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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 12:15 pm

I just smacked my daughter, not my wife. But thanks for your comments.Gaznazdiak"]I just had read of the Family Violence Contravention Orders rules and protections.

Now I'm trying really hard not to be judgmental of someone about whom I know nothing except from your comment above, because I know that some people can use AVO and such as a way to "punish" a partner for other things, but mate, your own testimony condemns you I'm afraid.

Having the order placed on you is one thing, that's bad enough, but you admit to contravening it not once but twice, then didn't show up to court when bailed.

So that's 3 instances of domestic violence, that we know of and a proven disregard for judicial process, honestly mate, I think maybe give it ten years and if you can stay out of police attention and not breach the DV order yet again, maybe try then. Probably best you don't have a gun till you can get your mind right on following the rules mate.[/quote]
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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 12:16 pm

I just smacked my daughter, not my wife. But thanks for your comments.Gaznazdiak
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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 12:18 pm

zhuk wrote:Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.

I think its 5 years which have passed
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Post by Jäger » 24 Nov 2018, 12:50 pm

I think you may be able to appeal the decision.
I'm guessing you'd end up having to front up to a Magistrate and convince him/her why they should grant you a license.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 Nov 2018, 12:55 pm

Well Tom, your original response to me upon getting the advice you asked for, "GET A LIFE", would seem to show an impulsive temperament.

As I said, I don't know you and can only judge from your original statement and any other comments you make here, but seriously mate, if a stranger told you what you told us, what are you going to think?

Australia is suffering an epidemic of domestic violence, remember John Edwards, another guy with with a record of family violence who insisted it was all taken out of proportion?
He was eventually given access to firearms, that didn't end well.

If your situation is not as it would seem and you are in fact the victim, with all your actions taken out of context and the police, the courts and the education department all getting things wrong, that is truly unfortunate and you would have my sympathy.

Far better for one innocent guy be denied access to firearms than take the risk of another John Edwards.
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Post by Jäger » 24 Nov 2018, 12:57 pm

zhuk wrote:Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application.



If you don't tick yes, and there is something on your record, you may get a call (or called in to the station) for a please explain why you lied.

If you're unsure if you have something on your record or it was something very long ago (even 20 yrs) and you're not sure if it was a conviction or whatever, just tick yes. They check your record anyway.

I'm trying to recall who said this, may have been the local DFO.
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Post by sickooli » 24 Nov 2018, 1:23 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:Well Tom, your original response to me upon getting the advice you asked for, "GET A LIFE", would seem to show an impulsive temperament.

As I said, I don't know you and can only judge from your original statement and any other comments you make here, but seriously mate, if a stranger told you what you told us, what are you going to think?

Australia is suffering an epidemic of domestic violence, remember John Edwards, another guy with with a record of family violence who insisted it was all taken out of proportion?
He was eventually given access to firearms, that didn't end well.

If your situation is not as it would seem and you are in fact the victim, with all your actions taken out of context and the police, the courts and the education department all getting things wrong, that is truly unfortunate and you would have my sympathy.

Far better for one innocent guy be denied access to firearms than take the risk of another John Edwards.

Please accept my sincere apology, I did remove those comments, and you are probably right in a way, but let me say this, apart from the conviction I am a proud father, I try to go to church every Sunday, and I try to teach my family good values respect and love for one another, I have never hurt anyone and try to help people as best I can. Ps I love seeing randy newberg on you tube, anyway take care and best wishes Tom
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Post by pomemax » 24 Nov 2018, 1:30 pm

A domestic violence order in NSW in its self is not a criminal act but will result in a 10 year firearms ban but as you put it .
"CONTRAVENE FAM VIOLENCE INTERVENTN ORDER UNLAWFUL ASSAULT (2 Charges) FAIL TO ANSWER BAIL Result: Aggregate 1 MONTH imprisonment. Concurrent. Sentence is wholly suspended under Section 27 of the Sentencing Act 1991" is a "criminal act" and I think would result in a LIFE TIME BAN
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Is there a blanket ban forever in ViC? Just asking because in NSW you can have convictions for violence with a firearm, domestic violence/breach AVO *and* convictions for terrorism offences - but after 10 years from the time served etc you don't have to tick 'yes' on those boxes on the licence application. you may wish to check into that
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 24 Nov 2018, 1:42 pm

Well it wouldn't be the first miscarriage of justice Tom.

David Eastman spent 19yrs in jail for the murder of Colin Winchester, a crime he has now been proven not to have committed.

My only suggestion mate, is to seek professional legal advice if your desire to own a firearm is worth what that's likely to cost you.

With over zealous police, teachers with New Age ideas and teenagers being what they are it's far from impossible, so if that's the case, as I said, my sympathies, it would be a monumental embuggerance.

I do hope though, that you can appreciate the concern.
We shooters are some of the most regulation ridden people in the country and every time there is the slightest negative occurrence, whether it's an injury from a negligent discharge or a tragedy like Margaret River, the uninformed anti gun crowd use it as an opportunity to squeeze us further.

I do wish you well with it.
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Post by Jäger » 24 Nov 2018, 2:12 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:David Eastman spent 19yrs in jail for the murder of Colin Winchester, a crime he has now been proven not to have committed.


He may still have committed the crime, and circumstantially there is some evidence he did, but at the retrial there wasn't enough evidence.

The incompetence of the forensics witness is mind numbing.

In any case, this is another reason why you should never have the death penalty. Whether it's incompetence or indeed corruption, innocent people will die.
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