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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by trekin » 23 Dec 2018, 5:39 am

bladeracer wrote:
Daddybang wrote:I might cop a bit of flack here but imo aerial shooting is not the most humane way to cull.
The reason I think this way is because contrary to Hollywood movies a helicopter is not a "stable" platform as anyone who has been up in one can attest to. ..they vibrate alot. Couple that with the fact that the target is almost always going to be on the move the chance of a ethical one shot kill is not as good as shooting from a stable rest on the ground. I guess this is why they aerial shooters use semis giving them a fast follow up. :unknown: :drinks:


I think it is possible for an experienced shooter to take humane shots from a helicopter. But I disagree with the helicopter itself as it terrifies the animals, and makes humane kills more difficult. When I was in the Kimberly they would regularly cull donkeys by helicopter, the pilots can be extraordinarily talented.

Here in QLD, at least, not every Joe blow pro hunter with a Cat D licence can hire a chopper and do an aerial cull. First off, the shooter has to be accredited to shoot from that platform, and secondly the pilot has to be accredited to pilot that platform for the purposes of aerial culling. The accreditation, for either, is not easy to obtain, and is ussualy only given to specialist companies who's pilots and shooters train and work as a team.
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by Daddybang » 23 Dec 2018, 6:25 am

bladeracer wrote:
Daddybang wrote:I might cop a bit of flack here but imo aerial shooting is not the most humane way to cull.
The reason I think this way is because contrary to Hollywood movies a helicopter is not a "stable" platform as anyone who has been up in one can attest to. ..they vibrate alot. Couple that with the fact that the target is almost always going to be on the move the chance of a ethical one shot kill is not as good as shooting from a stable rest on the ground. I guess this is why they aerial shooters use semis giving them a fast follow up. :unknown: :drinks:


I think it is possible for an experienced shooter to take humane shots from a helicopter. But I disagree with the helicopter itself as it terrifies the animals, and makes humane kills more difficult. When I was in the Kimberly they would regularly cull donkeys by helicopter, the pilots can be extraordinarily talented.


Yep no argue there blqde a skilled shooter can make a humane shot BUT it doesn't always work out that way. Ive been involved in a couple of brumby culls where ive been on the ground pushing a.mob out of cover for the chopper and have seen it go very wrong. .not saying it always happens just that theres alot less chance when shooting from a stable rest on firm ground.(even then as granddad said its not always clean due to the numbers of animals and other factors involved). And I agree wholeheartedly with the "terror" factor nfor the animals. :drinks:
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by Ecobogan » 23 Dec 2018, 7:40 pm

Thanks for the non sugar coated feedback on the aerial cull fellas. Didn't want to talk to them about it like I was some expert on the subject so thought it was a good idea to ask.

Grandadbushy, I'm a bit stumped. Why do you think it was odd that I'd try to get a better handle on aerial culling by asking here when that info is already available?
I've always found it easier and quicker to ask a direct question of someone than find it in a book or on the net.
Of course aerial culling info is out there, but it's here aswell...you can't ask a book questions.
Secondly, you're basically asking me if I'm an animal rights activist posing as a shooter on this forum to get some kind of info? Did I get that right???
I had to re read your post few times actually and if you got to that conclusion from me asking questions then I flat out don't get it, sorry mate.
I'm not insulted in any way but would appreciate it if you would tell me what's going on here
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by bigrich » 23 Dec 2018, 7:54 pm

Ecobogan wrote:Thanks for the non sugar coated feedback on the aerial cull fellas. Didn't want to talk to them about it like I was some expert on the subject so thought it was a good idea to ask.

Grandadbushy, I'm a bit stumped. Why do you think it was odd that I'd try to get a better handle on aerial culling by asking here when that info is already available?
I've always found it easier and quicker to ask a direct question of someone than find it in a book or on the net.
Of course aerial culling info is out there, but it's here aswell...you can't ask a book questions.
Secondly, you're basically asking me if I'm an animal rights activist posing as a shooter on this forum to get some kind of info? Did I get that right???
I had to re read your post few times actually and if you got to that conclusion from me asking questions then I flat out don't get it, sorry mate.
I'm not insulted in any way but would appreciate it if you would tell me what's going on here


there's been a few new characters on here lately that were asking some odd suspect questions . so some people on here are a little coy about political / eco questions. it's well known that eco terrorists/activists get on shooting forums like this to try to find dirt to use against shooters/hunters. i don't mind the fuzz monitoring so much, as the only people that they should be looking for are ratbags who are going to cause problems. if you were asking about reloads, scope recommendations , fine not a problem . but being new on the scene and asking about negotiating with some of the people that are diehards against shooting and hunting is a little unusual i guess . what rifles/firearms do you own ecobogan ? are you into paper shootin' , hunting or some other shooting discipline like cowboy ?

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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by Ecobogan » 23 Dec 2018, 9:00 pm

Ok gotcha. You mentioned this briefly in another thread and l can see how it would be a little unusual.
The reason I know a lot of lefty's etc is I was a sea Shepherd crew member once and used to do a lot of their metal fab on the ship when it was in Port.
I also worked on a chimpanzee rescue centre in Cameroon, West Africa for about 6 months as a welder and mechanic. Helped rebuild a village in Sri Lanka when I was traveling through there.
This was about 10 years ago and still remain friend with some people from back then.
I do have an interest in bio fuels as I run a 12 ton excavator, front end loader and back up Genny. Am building a 37 pontiac rat rod and ride a supercharged v twin road bike. I love machines and horsepower which has always contradicted my interest in environmental issues and am in the process of changing all my machines to run on waste motor oil and home made E85... which is quite a job.
The 93 acres I live on is very hard to get mains power to so my cabin and metal fab workshop are all off grid.
All these things lead me to cross paths with right wing and left wing people on a regular basis,if I can put it like that, which can lead to some interesting and somewhat tense conversations.....because in some ways I'm both of these people.
I used to shoot a bit when I lived up in Queensland but only got my Vic shooters licence about 2 years ago. At the moment I've got a CZ 453 .22 and an SHS 12g. just sold my Browning 243 and am waiting for the Howa 1500 .308 to turn up at the gunsmiths....and am a bit p#ssed that it's not here yet.
The vast bulk of my shooting is with the 22. and I've made up little gongs that batten screw to the trees, old pad locks and other steel targets that I shoot off the deck of my cabin. Not unusual to do hundreds of rounds at a time...subbys are pretty quiet and I have no neighbours. Early morning and late eve I usually head out for foxes, hares and rabbits, the last two are my main meat source.
A few of us lads are getting together a regular deer hunt , hence the 308. I live in central Vic.
My wants to do something about gun laws was alive and well long before I joined enough gun and it occurred to me to join to meet more shooters, talk about gun laws themselves and generally get a picture of where it all was at.
I am a person who gets involved with things that I think are important and have tried dealing with councils and authorities about other issues before.
For example I wrote many letters to the Yarra council about getting young bucks riding high powered sportsbikes off the streets by subsidising track days and looking at the problem instead of just fining them and looking the other way.... didn't work but at least I tried.
Firearms laws are similar, and another one of my interests that is under the hammer and I'd like to help do something about it
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by bigrich » 23 Dec 2018, 9:08 pm

Ecobogan wrote:Ok gotcha. You mentioned this briefly in another thread and l can see how it would be a little unusual.
The reason I know a lot of lefty's etc is I was a sea Shepherd crew member once and used to do a lot of their metal fab on the ship when it was in Port.
I also worked on a chimpanzee rescue centre in Cameroon, West Africa for about 6 months as a welder and mechanic. Helped rebuild a village in Sri Lanka when I was traveling through there.
This was about 10 years ago and still remain friend with some people from back then.
I do have an interest in bio fuels as I run a 12 ton excavator, front end loader and back up Genny. Am building a 37 pontiac rat rod and ride a supercharged v twin road bike. I love machines and horsepower which has always contradicted my interest in environmental issues and am in the process of changing all my machines to run on waste motor oil and home made E85... which is quite a job.
The 93 acres I live on is very hard to get mains power to so my cabin and metal fab workshop are all off grid.
All these things lead me to cross paths with right wing and left wing people on a regular basis,if I can put it like that, which can lead to some interesting and somewhat tense conversations.....because in some ways I'm both of these people.
I used to shoot a bit when I lived up in Queensland but only got my Vic shooters licence about 2 years ago. At the moment I've got a CZ 453 .22 and an SHS 12g. just sold my Browning 243 and am waiting for the Howa 1500 .308 to turn up at the gunsmiths....and am a bit p#ssed that it's not here yet.
The vast bulk of my shooting is with the 22. and I've made up little gongs that batten screw to the trees, old pad locks and other steel targets that I shoot off the deck of my cabin. Not unusual to do hundreds of rounds at a time...subbys are pretty quiet and I have no neighbours. Early morning and late eve I usually head out for foxes, hares and rabbits, the last two are my main meat source.
A few of us lads are getting together a regular deer hunt , hence the 308. I live in central Vic.
My wants to do something about gun laws was alive and well long before I joined enough gun and it occurred to me to join to meet more shooters, talk about gun laws themselves and generally get a picture of where it all was at.
I am a person who gets involved with things that I think are important and have tried dealing with councils and authorities about other issues before.
For example I wrote many letters to the Yarra council about getting young bucks riding high powered sportsbikes off the streets by subsidising track days and looking at the problem instead of just fining them and looking the other way.... didn't work but at least I tried.
Firearms laws are similar, and another one of my interests that is under the hammer and I'd like to help do something about it


well that clears things up some :D it's unusual to meet a modern aussie who's a "doer" instead of just complaing and not acting. i got motivated and met and talked with local mp's over the injustice of campbell newman's "hoon laws" and vehicle confiscation in QLD , so i can understand your motivations :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by Ecobogan » 23 Dec 2018, 9:47 pm

Hey no worries..near got sore thumbs typing that out!
I grew up in Toowoomba from the late '70s till the early '90s, a mate's older brother was a contact shooter and used to let me have a go on his SKS every now and then which was a blast....that was pretty '96 of course.
I've heard Qld has some pretty out there hoon laws....ours wouldn't be much better I'd think
It is good to get involved too I reckon, even if it makes you feel better that at least you've tried.
Hey I appreciate your upfrontness mate it puts things like this to bed quickly... and don't worry when the Howa gets here I'll certainly have some scope and dialing in questions!
Cheers mate
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by grandadbushy » 24 Dec 2018, 12:48 am

G'day Ecobogan well bigrich pretty much hit the nail on the head as to some people of late asking odd questions
Firstly you're fairly new on here then start asking questions that have been asked over and over again and mostly been twisted and then
used against shooters then there's your on forum name of ''Ecobogan'' all this combined gave me the heeby-geebies and I always run on gut feeling
it's saved my butt many times
I read your post of your career quiet impressive I must say you've seen a lot more than I have in my life I've been stuck to the land
I wish you the best of luck with your hunting and shooting but I will have to put up with my gut feeling until it goes away

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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by Ecobogan » 24 Dec 2018, 12:48 pm

grandadbushy wrote:G'day Ecobogan well bigrich pretty much hit the nail on the head as to some people of late asking odd questions
Firstly you're fairly new on here then start asking questions that have been asked over and over again and mostly been twisted and then
used against shooters then there's your on forum name of ''Ecobogan'' all this combined gave me the heeby-geebies and I always run on gut feeling
it's saved my butt many times
I read your post of your career quiet impressive I must say you've seen a lot more than I have in my life I've been stuck to the land
I wish you the best of luck with your hunting and shooting but I will have to put up with my gut feeling until it goes away

Cheers


Ok mate I understand, but I don't feel too good about making you, or anyone else here, feel uncomfortable.
All I can really do is say that in time you'll see that my intentions were sincere as I'm not going anywhere.
Which probably makes me think that leaving political questions out of it and sticking to technical firearms ones might be for the best, do you think?
It's very poor form for people to be sneaking around here gathering information to use against us and a real pity that we have to worry about it.
Anyway I've got more work to do in my hot b&stard of a shed so time to get the sweats up again.
Cheers and chat soon
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by bigrich » 21 Feb 2019, 3:36 pm

I found this unbiased article in my local paper, “the Albert and Logan news “
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Re: Queensland specific_e-petition

Post by bigrich » 21 Feb 2019, 3:49 pm

sorry fellas, i've been having all sorts of dramas trying to upload images onto this forum of late , my computer just wont do it ,the page crashes, and i get 'invalid file" when i try to use my iphone. bottom line, very positive article in my local paper , listing the benefeits of feral control and regional tourism nsw and vic are enjoying . i hope the petition gets through. now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to tune my electronic devices with a large hammer
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