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Re: audit

Post by Gaznazdiak » 21 Dec 2018, 2:20 pm

trekin wrote:Just a pity there wasn't a forum site/webpages just for the criminally inclined that they could monitor with the same amount of enthusiasm.



The dark web Trekkin, is just that sort of place.

My question was how this specific site, and the alleged close monitoring, came up in a safe storage inspection.
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Re: audit

Post by trekin » 21 Dec 2018, 4:16 pm

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trekin wrote:Just a pity there wasn't a forum site/webpages just for the criminally inclined that they could monitor with the same amount of enthusiasm.



The dark web Trekkin, is just that sort of place.

My question was how this specific site, and the alleged close monitoring, came up in a safe storage inspection.

"I know nothing" (in the best Sgt Schulze voice, while speaking to the lampshade) of this dark web you speak of :allegedly: I could think of a few ways this topic may have come up, but this would only be speculation on my behalf. Would be much better hearing from the goose's mouth (mixed metaphor, no disrepect for the OP).
Edit to add, I know the police (State and Federal, pro and anti) are openly active in monitoring most of the FB/ MeWe sites I'm a member of.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 21 Dec 2018, 5:55 pm

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I worked with my son today and guess what I learned.They monitor everything and have the I P address and know what room you were in when you posted.I wont be posting pictures of dead animals unless they are all cleaned up and looking happy.On the fishing site I use we are asked to clean up the fish so the photos are not gory.DB was right if I keep my head in the sand my bottom will be bitten.I have the new safe already which will be put at the workshop and I am getting another one Sunday to replace my old one at the house.
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 21 Dec 2018, 5:58 pm

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I worked with my son today and guess what I learned.They monitor everything and have the I P address and know what room you were in when you posted.I wont be posting pictures of dead animals unless they are all cleaned up and looking happy.On the fishing site I use we are asked to clean up the fish so the photos are not gory.DB was right if I keep my head in the sand my bottom will be bitten.I have the new safe already which will be put at the workshop and I am getting another one Sunday to replace my old one at the house.


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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 21 Dec 2018, 6:00 pm

I will answer your question Gaz the senior constable looked at me intensely when we were done and stated we monitor all websites be careful what you post.It was the other policeman that was chatting about shooting and forums he is on a few.I never mentioned Enough gun not that it would matter anything public can be followed
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 21 Dec 2018, 6:04 pm

duncan61 wrote:...anything public can be followed


Even "private" forums can be followed.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 21 Dec 2018, 6:08 pm

No Blade I had forgotten my mate had done it.Its all good,we will tech screw it to the trailer when we go south and store firearms in it like we used to so we can eat at the roadhouse without someone having to be at the car.The internal hinges are still there but modified so it opens.I am getting a good newer safe Sunday to replace it and the other one will be offered to my deceased mates son complete with a co user form and his dads rifles.I will keep the keys till it is all sorted then he will be responsible for his fathers gear.It is all on my licence at the moment,The police were efficient and fair I am pleased to report and understood the situation and have given me time to sort it
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Re: audit

Post by Gaznazdiak » 21 Dec 2018, 6:15 pm

Fair enough mate, I don't doubt it, just wondered.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 21 Dec 2018, 6:31 pm

I got one laugh the senior kept referring to them as weapons so I called him on it as they are firearms so today they are firearms tomorrow they will be weapons again
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Re: audit

Post by Oldbloke » 23 Dec 2018, 9:55 am

I'd just keep in mind police are people just like us trying to make a living, families etc. Most are very good a few not so good. Policeing is known to be very stressful at times. They are just doing their job. It's the politicians that make the law.

Do your best to abide by the (confusing) rules, be polite and it should be OK.
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Re: audit

Post by Member-Deleted » 23 Dec 2018, 10:49 am

I tell you what I for one wouldn't like to have their job the abuse they receive at times from people is stupid its of no wonder some get cranky but yes 'the cranky one should do it more professional rather than take it out on the good people
The two we have locally are good blokes but mind you do everything right they can be your friend but they do have a job to do
As far as monitoring the sites and forums well it is open for all to see there's no confidentiality act signed when joining these forums
If you were of the type of person that likes to flaunt the laws then you would be mad to brag on this forum or any other and if it was to the point of affecting others on the forum then I doubt you would be welcome on that site because you would bring unwanted notoriety to that site
The biggest thing I see with audits on guns and safes is the interpretation of the law by different officers some times little things can be interpreted
differently depending on mood at the time I would like the GLB to put out an A4 paper to list the requirements expected on auditing days
so people can make that their every day requirement and it would be hard to become complacent because of having to chase info on the net and
rely on second hand info I know the laws are there but a list that could be sat on the safe door to jog the memory every time you enter the safe
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Re: audit

Post by trekin » 23 Dec 2018, 11:18 am

Such a list would still be dependant of someones interuptation of the laws. Best thing I find, is to copy the appropriate Section from the Act, each States' Acts are avialable from their State Govt websites for download, and if questioned about something at an inspection, hand the copy to the officer and politely ask where you have contravined said Section.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 23 Dec 2018, 11:27 am

bolt storage is still a grey area.It is O.K.to keep them in the ammo locker but not recommended????I will try to get some clarity when they return soon and they will be returning.I will be getting my compliant safe today and switching them out so all is good
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Re: audit

Post by trekin » 23 Dec 2018, 11:31 am

duncan61 wrote:bolt storage is still a grey area.It is O.K.to keep them in the ammo locker but not recommended????I will try to get some clarity when they return soon and they will be returning.I will be getting my compliant safe today and switching them out so all is good

What, exactly does your States firearms Act say on the matter?
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 23 Dec 2018, 12:33 pm

It covers the cabinet requirements and has suggestions on concealing the safe etc.I will search deeper
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Post by duncan61 » 23 Dec 2018, 12:38 pm

The act covers a lot of information but not bolt storage.
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 23 Dec 2018, 12:39 pm

duncan61 wrote:The act covers a lot of information but not bolt storage.


I wasn't aware that WA required you to remove the bolts.
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Re: audit

Post by trekin » 23 Dec 2018, 1:05 pm

duncan61 wrote:The act covers a lot of information but not bolt storage.

Can you cut and paste here, or provide a link?
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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 23 Dec 2018, 1:26 pm

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duncan61 wrote:The act covers a lot of information but not bolt storage.


I wasn't aware that WA required you to remove the bolts.


We aren't required to remove them here. Dunno why one wouldn't just leave them in the guns. That's what almost everyone does
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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 23 Dec 2018, 1:26 pm

duncan61 wrote:bolt storage is still a grey area.It is O.K.to keep them in the ammo locker but not recommended????I will try to get some clarity when they return soon and they will be returning.I will be getting my compliant safe today and switching them out so all is good


Hi Duncan, why not just keep them in the guns? In WA that is perfectly legal and recommended.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 23 Dec 2018, 1:31 pm

The police did state:they are part of the firearm:I am going to keep mine seperate regardless
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 23 Dec 2018, 1:53 pm

duncan61 wrote:The police did state:they are part of the firearm:I am going to keep mine seperate regardless


I don't even remove the magazines. Too often I've wandered up the paddock to find I've left the bloody magazine back at my office :-)
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Re: audit

Post by doc » 24 Dec 2018, 12:14 pm

duncan61 wrote:and they monitor this site like hawks to see what we are all up too.Lesson learned


I'm not surprised, and in many ways I'm glad. They probably get more honest feedback from sites like this than they do directly. Especially when it comes to members not knowing the laws, mistakes that are made during inspections, etc. Hopefully this site, and sites like it help cops to learn the misconceptions / inaccurate understandings they have of the law as well.

duncan61 wrote:The police did state:they are part of the firearm:I am going to keep mine seperate regardless


I've heard of cops in Vic saying the same thing which isn't true. At least I've been able to find nothing about it in the regs.

I don't know of anyone who's been charged because of it - just numerous people warned. Not sure if it's ignorance on VicPol's part, or whether there's been an incorrect entry in an internal memo as to "what to look out for". I'm suspecting the latter - as numerous cops being 'sure' without reciting the acts sounds as though someone's saying somethin' at training day or in checklists, etc that simply ain't so but others are taking as gospel.

Edit: With any luck the cops are reading this thread and will correct it internally. :lol:
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 24 Dec 2018, 1:28 pm

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Re: audit

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Dec 2018, 4:39 pm

Yep looks the part now Duncan61 nice and neat :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 24 Dec 2018, 4:47 pm

I am going to get all my gear Thursday so will be reloading the 7mm you sent me
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Re: audit

Post by Member-Deleted » 24 Dec 2018, 10:05 pm

Yeah mate let us know how they go I've actually got 3 loads now for the 7mm a 154gr Hornady sp a 156gr oryx and the barnes 160gr tsx
they all give me 1/2'' to 5/8'' so not bad but I only want 2 so i'm of 2 minds which one to drop i'll keep the 154gr sp as it's good for dogs then the
oryx and the tsx are the same price the tsx is solid copper and leaves the barrel fairly dirty with only 2 shots then the oryx also hits like a brick but doesn't leave the barrel dirty but are harder to get so i'll have to decide soon :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: audit

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Dec 2018, 11:02 am

Oldbloke wrote:I'd just keep in mind police are people just like us trying to make a living, families etc. Most are very good a few not so good. Policeing is known to be very stressful at times. They are just doing their job. It's the politicians that make the law.

Do your best to abide by the (confusing) rules, be polite and it should be OK.


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Re: audit

Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Dec 2018, 2:17 pm

I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?
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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 25 Dec 2018, 2:39 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?


Can't help ya, sorry. In WA they are required under the Firearms Act to give written notice of up to 10 days (you could always have them come earlier within that 1-10 day period if you wanted.)
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