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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 23 Dec 2018, 1:26 pm

bladeracer wrote:
duncan61 wrote:The act covers a lot of information but not bolt storage.


I wasn't aware that WA required you to remove the bolts.


We aren't required to remove them here. Dunno why one wouldn't just leave them in the guns. That's what almost everyone does
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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 23 Dec 2018, 1:26 pm

duncan61 wrote:bolt storage is still a grey area.It is O.K.to keep them in the ammo locker but not recommended????I will try to get some clarity when they return soon and they will be returning.I will be getting my compliant safe today and switching them out so all is good


Hi Duncan, why not just keep them in the guns? In WA that is perfectly legal and recommended.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 23 Dec 2018, 1:31 pm

The police did state:they are part of the firearm:I am going to keep mine seperate regardless
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 23 Dec 2018, 1:53 pm

duncan61 wrote:The police did state:they are part of the firearm:I am going to keep mine seperate regardless


I don't even remove the magazines. Too often I've wandered up the paddock to find I've left the bloody magazine back at my office :-)
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Post by doc » 24 Dec 2018, 12:14 pm

duncan61 wrote:and they monitor this site like hawks to see what we are all up too.Lesson learned


I'm not surprised, and in many ways I'm glad. They probably get more honest feedback from sites like this than they do directly. Especially when it comes to members not knowing the laws, mistakes that are made during inspections, etc. Hopefully this site, and sites like it help cops to learn the misconceptions / inaccurate understandings they have of the law as well.

duncan61 wrote:The police did state:they are part of the firearm:I am going to keep mine seperate regardless


I've heard of cops in Vic saying the same thing which isn't true. At least I've been able to find nothing about it in the regs.

I don't know of anyone who's been charged because of it - just numerous people warned. Not sure if it's ignorance on VicPol's part, or whether there's been an incorrect entry in an internal memo as to "what to look out for". I'm suspecting the latter - as numerous cops being 'sure' without reciting the acts sounds as though someone's saying somethin' at training day or in checklists, etc that simply ain't so but others are taking as gospel.

Edit: With any luck the cops are reading this thread and will correct it internally. :lol:
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 24 Dec 2018, 1:28 pm

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Re: audit

Post by grandadbushy » 24 Dec 2018, 4:39 pm

Yep looks the part now Duncan61 nice and neat :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 24 Dec 2018, 4:47 pm

I am going to get all my gear Thursday so will be reloading the 7mm you sent me
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Re: audit

Post by grandadbushy » 24 Dec 2018, 10:05 pm

Yeah mate let us know how they go I've actually got 3 loads now for the 7mm a 154gr Hornady sp a 156gr oryx and the barnes 160gr tsx
they all give me 1/2'' to 5/8'' so not bad but I only want 2 so i'm of 2 minds which one to drop i'll keep the 154gr sp as it's good for dogs then the
oryx and the tsx are the same price the tsx is solid copper and leaves the barrel fairly dirty with only 2 shots then the oryx also hits like a brick but doesn't leave the barrel dirty but are harder to get so i'll have to decide soon :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: audit

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Dec 2018, 11:02 am

Oldbloke wrote:I'd just keep in mind police are people just like us trying to make a living, families etc. Most are very good a few not so good. Policeing is known to be very stressful at times. They are just doing their job. It's the politicians that make the law.

Do your best to abide by the (confusing) rules, be polite and it should be OK.


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Re: audit

Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Dec 2018, 2:17 pm

I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?
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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 25 Dec 2018, 2:39 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?


Can't help ya, sorry. In WA they are required under the Firearms Act to give written notice of up to 10 days (you could always have them come earlier within that 1-10 day period if you wanted.)
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Re: audit

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Dec 2018, 3:46 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?


So registered owner is unavailable and he’s the only one with keys...so bye.
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Re: audit

Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Dec 2018, 4:04 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?


So registered owner is unavailable and he’s the only one with keys...so bye.



Nice in theory Tas, but firearms permits have a mugshot remember. A matter of moments to check from the car, that's if it's not on their paperwork already.
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Re: audit

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Dec 2018, 4:48 pm

Unavailable as in - “im sorry but I’m on my way out”. As far as I understand it, you do not have to oblige an unannounced visit from anyone - unless your being detained / arrested / warrant application for something and I doubt a regular audit would meet that criteria - which is why they make appointments - they don’t want to waste their time either...you are still in a free country at the moment (kind of) and can make your own appointments to do what ever you want...
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 25 Dec 2018, 6:08 pm

I asked what happens if a mutual appointment can not be set.They get a warrant and seize
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 25 Dec 2018, 8:16 pm

duncan61 wrote:I asked what happens if a mutual appointment can not be set.They get a warrant and seize


Wouldn't they require some legal grounds to get a warrant though?
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Re: audit

Post by dpskipper » 25 Dec 2018, 10:31 pm

an interesting topic we have here. i can't contribute but will be watching intently.
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