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Re: audit

Post by ponkychonk » 26 Dec 2018, 12:17 pm

bladeracer wrote:
duncan61 wrote:I asked what happens if a mutual appointment can not be set.They get a warrant and seize


Wouldn't they require some legal grounds to get a warrant though?


In WA, the firearms act specifies you get a 10 day period where they are required to give you written advice. But it ALSO specifies that, if you don't allow the inspection within that 10 days, you are committing an offence. So if you wait even 11 days, you are committing an offence and can have everything confiscated
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 27 Dec 2018, 8:34 pm

I am all done new safe done and ammo/bolts locked in steel box in locked shed.
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Re: audit

Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Jan 2019, 12:52 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?



It seems I did have the bull by the balls here.
I think if it keeps happening I should maybe buy him dinner. :oops:

I actually got to speak to my niece's boyfriend in person today, and my niece had got it mixed up. But not the way I thought.
According to her boyfriend, the cops said it was the last time they would be doing the inspections as they were being discontinued as costing too much with no productivity outcomes.

I can't be bothered spending 3 weeks of my life waiting on hold to ask NSW FAR if this is the case, anyone heard this?
Sounds highly unlikely to me, but there's no reason for him to blow smoke up me.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 02 Jan 2019, 2:30 pm

I have made an appointment for tomorrow for the final inspection I have bought a keysafe and a padlock for the shed as well
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 03 Jan 2019, 11:54 am

Still did not pass.Gun safe fine but live ammo must be stored as per firearms in separate safe a big one from bunnings will do.Ammo reloading components are not considered live ammo and powder must be stored in locked container
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Re: audit

Post by TassieTiger » 03 Jan 2019, 1:14 pm

duncan61 wrote:Still did not pass.Gun safe fine but live ammo must be stored as per firearms in separate safe a big one from bunnings will do.Ammo reloading components are not considered live ammo and powder must be stored in locked container


I don’t understand this - I walk into Roberts town and country and they have live ammo sitting behind the counter unlocked...firearms ? Yep, locked and chained. Reloading powder IS kept seperate but live ammo, anyone can reach across and look at...
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Re: audit

Post by TassieTiger » 03 Jan 2019, 1:18 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:I don't know if this is legit or not, perhaps someone can enlighten me.

I was talking to my niece today, she's not a shooter but her boyfriend is and has a number of firearms.
She said the police were around to check him over again just recently and told them they no longer need to make a suitable time nor give any notice.
The officers inspecting just lobbed, said welcome to the new policy, open up.

This is NSW, anyone know if there has been a change from mutual convenience?



It seems I did have the bull by the balls here.
I think if it keeps happening I should maybe buy him dinner. :oops:

I actually got to speak to my niece's boyfriend in person today, and my niece had got it mixed up. But not the way I thought.
According to her boyfriend, the cops said it was the last time they would be doing the inspections as they were being discontinued as costing too much with no productivity outcomes.

I can't be bothered spending 3 weeks of my life waiting on hold to ask NSW FAR if this is the case, anyone heard this?
Sounds highly unlikely to me, but there's no reason for him to blow smoke up me.


I rang Tas police when I put my 3rd safe in and asked when they’d like to inspect it - they said similar. When we get time - or never. We know you have done first two correctly and we just don’t have time to come out - so the answer is “sporadic inspections” going forward...but they did say they will give plenty of notice and you can decline first offering, if it does not suit...
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 03 Jan 2019, 1:36 pm

$101 at Bunnings scored me a safe that will hold all my live ammo going to bolt it in now and spend the rest of the day making .243 and preparing Hornet cases
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Re: audit

Post by 1Fatman » 03 Jan 2019, 1:40 pm

duncan61 wrote:Still did not pass.Gun safe fine but live ammo must be stored as per firearms in separate safe a big one from bunnings will do.Ammo reloading components are not considered live ammo and powder must be stored in locked container


Powder must be stored in a wooden box made of 19mm plywood or hardwood, lockable with brass hinges.
Screws or bolts on the inside need to be filed flat, the box has to be painted in a light colour with the correct stickers placed on it.
It also must be able to be carried in the event of a fire etc.

Not what you would call real secure.
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Re: audit

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Jan 2019, 3:31 pm

Although ammo is not considered particularly dangerous on its own I have noticed ( I think) in each state a conflict within the regulations regarding the storage of ammo, powders, primers.

From a dangerous goods point of view you would want to store all of them in a very lightly build wooden box or a lightly built metal container that is earthed. Wood doesnt create or retain static and you shouldn't confine an an explosion as it just increases the damage.

YET, that is a contradiction to what the government wants. Put it in a very strong metal container and no requirement to earth.. DOH

If you were in a work place the first scinerio wooden boxes the norm..

Best option would be locked 3 or 4 ply box stored in a locked shed or room..
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Re: audit

Post by Daddybang » 03 Jan 2019, 4:33 pm

duncan61 wrote:.Ammo reloading components are not considered live ammo and powder must be stored in locked container


Obviously the copper in question has never read sec 4 of the Firearms Act 1973 (western Australia) that states "for the purpose of the act ammunition includes ALL components used in the manufacture of ammunition " :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 03 Jan 2019, 5:04 pm

duncan61 wrote:Still did not pass.Gun safe fine but live ammo must be stored as per firearms in separate safe a big one from bunnings will do.Ammo reloading components are not considered live ammo and powder must be stored in locked container


Not correct. WA considers any components of ammunition to be ammunition. Secure storage for empty brass and bullets is exactly the same as for live ammo.
How did they even notice your ammo - wasn't it locked up out of sight?
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 03 Jan 2019, 6:03 pm

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I wished to do a full walk through and get it right.I was reloading when they showed up and had everything open.I have bolted a small safe from Bunnings in the laundry under a shelf set and they have accepted pictures of that as job complete.The powder in wooden box sounds like a good idea my reloading stuff is currently in a big solid metal box in an outside shed with its own padlock and they were fine with that.My example of brass was my case cleaning tumbler was going and do I have to empty it and store the brass when not home? and the answer was no its fine.I lock up primers powder and projectiles because it makes sense.Once again the police had opportunity to seize my ammo and charge me but elected to give me time to sort it out which I have done.A good learning curve all round.My final question was what to do with old dirty rusty shot shells as there was a tin box with about 20 very corroded shot shells in all the gear I recovered from the workshop.My mate had probably had them from 1978 when he was shooting in Queensland and bought the Hornet and ,243 BRNO new.No real answer for that I got hand them in to a police station shoot them sell them to a dealer.I suggested burying them and that was not a good idea.I will have a better look at them soon and maybe shoot them off at the block and throw the empty cases in the fire.It was no hardship to do this and I am pleased with the outcome
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Re: audit

Post by 1Fatman » 03 Jan 2019, 6:55 pm

Just remember to build the box to the correct specs or you will be in the crap with them and the Department of Mines and Petroleum.
Here is the link showing what you need.

http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Documents/Dang ... Owners.pdf
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 03 Jan 2019, 6:57 pm

1Fatman wrote:Just remember to build the box to the correct specs or you will be in the crap with them and the Department of Mines and Petroleum.
Here is the link showing what you need.

http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Documents/Dang ... Owners.pdf


The only reason you would have any problem with DoM&P is if somebody made a complaint.
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Re: audit

Post by 1Fatman » 03 Jan 2019, 7:01 pm

bladeracer wrote:[quote=

The only reason you would have any problem with DoM&P is if somebody made a complaint.



The storage and transport of powder falls under the DMP, the boys in blue will pass on the defect details to them if you are found to not be storing it correctly.
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Re: audit

Post by bladeracer » 03 Jan 2019, 7:04 pm

1Fatman wrote:
bladeracer wrote:[quote=

The only reason you would have any problem with DoM&P is if somebody made a complaint.



The storage and transport of powder falls under the DMP, the boys in blue will pass on the defect details to them if you are found to not be storing it correctly.


True, but they can only do that if you are clearly not securing it at all. If it's in a cabinet out of sight they wouldn't know either way.
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Re: audit

Post by duncan61 » 03 Jan 2019, 7:14 pm

Thank you for that link.The last bit gives the exempt amount and I would not go close to 5 Kg of propellant at any time let alone 15 Kg so no problem.I have a 4 kg tub of 2208 that is more than half gone and when I need more 2213sc I will get 500g.I had a bit more in stock than I thought enough to make 24 target rounds for the 7mm to test the 168 Bergers grandadbushy sent me.I have decided after sorting all my gear today that I do not need the volumes I had when pro shooting and am going to run down to 100x.222 150x.243 and 150x 7mm as I have case storage for that amount and it fits in the ammo safe.I have a few thousand .22LR and they fit in the gunsafe top box and the Hornet ammo will end up at the safe where the hornet is.First day at the range we can use the 80gn rounds we have in stock and then get better later.Its going to be a good year
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