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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by Oldbloke » 31 Dec 2018, 6:17 pm

You can always squeeze a couple extra in by top and tailing and put them in a cheap gun sock. Saves buying another safe.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by Baronvonrort » 31 Dec 2018, 6:33 pm

Get a bigger safe than you think will do, it will give you some incentive to fill it up.

What if you have a friend come over before you go hunting, where will he/she/it keep their guns while visiting?

I think people should buy the best safe they can get, many end up having to buy another so best to just spend once and not worry about future safe upgrades.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by bladeracer » 31 Dec 2018, 7:54 pm

Baronvonrort wrote:Get a bigger safe than you think will do, it will give you some incentive to fill it up.

What if you have a friend come over before you go hunting, where will he/she/it keep their guns while visiting?

I think people should buy the best safe they can get, many end up having to buy another so best to just spend once and not worry about future safe upgrades.



I've been through this with my own brother, as he was coming down here before I had the alarm system. His firearms would put me over the 15-firearm limit without an alarm.
But as he is only visiting, his firearms do not require permanent storage so they don't count.

But, more safes are always better!
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by Ziad » 31 Dec 2018, 10:11 pm

Better safe than sorry. ..is all i say
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by TassieTiger » 31 Dec 2018, 10:45 pm

On the cusp of buying sage no 4...you’d think I’d bloody learn.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by TassieTiger » 31 Dec 2018, 11:44 pm

I’ve literally just been scanning eBay - pretty funny when your looking at the 20 gun safe they advertise on there - they show you a picture of the safe full of firearms - full to the max...but if u count up the firearms, they only managed to get 8 in there....misleading much?
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by Ziad » 01 Jan 2019, 7:32 am

Ebsy safes. .... two words i won't mix together.

But currently if you buy anything over $120 you can get a 10% discount voucher from ebay.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by JWD40 » 01 Jan 2019, 11:16 am

Beas2624 wrote: How big????? :lol: would an eight gun be alright?


It's really up to you to decide that. But most gun owners seem to be content with 1 or 2 guns to start with, but that grows over the years.
I rent, so i deliberately made the decision to get smaller safes (no bigger than 80kg). Makes it easier for me to move when i move house.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by JWD40 » 01 Jan 2019, 11:17 am

Chappo wrote:By the way, safes will never fit as many rifles neatly as they advertise.
Especially if they’ve all got scopes you could probably half the advertised capacity and that’d be more realistic.


+1 to that, their specs are very optimistic
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by JWD40 » 01 Jan 2019, 11:25 am

Jäger wrote:I don' think it Vic that it needs to be a 3 point locking system (though my steel safe is).
Is that a requirement in NSW?


It's a requirement in NSW, i believe the locking mechanism approval is left up to each state.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by JWD40 » 01 Jan 2019, 12:34 pm

Chappo wrote:https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/14-Rifle-Storage-Gun-Safe-Firearm-Security-Lockbox-Heavy-Duty-Cabinet-Bonus-/310722458890

I bought this one as my first safe.
I am very happy with it. It’s probably not quite as sturdy as a spika or lokaway but it’s HEAPS stronger than a tool cabinet or school locker.
I like the keypad entry too as I feel it’s more secure than hiding the keys somewhere for someone to find.


Playing devils advocate, the spika and lokaway aren't hugely safe either, really... I mean, it would be a big pain in the butt to pry the door open (which is really what you're paying for when you buy a gun safe). But in reality, most gun safes are constructed from sheet steel less than 3mm thick. A cordless angle grinder with a thin cutting disk would go through the side wall like a hot knife to butter. But obviously makes a lot of noise.

So i'd say, the link you posted here to the cabinet you purchased.. The gap between your cabinet and the spika/lokaway probably isn't as far as you think.
This might sound dumb, but appearance goes a long way. If it looks sturdy, thieves are more likely to just walk past it without a second look. The Spika and Lokaway are probably a bit harder to get into, but they look a crap load harder to get into.

As for the keypad thing... I'm not convinced they are any good to be honest. (just my personal opinion, each to their own).
The only way to solve the key hiding issue (which I agree, is a pain) is to put it in the safe, but then what happens if the electronics die, like die die as most electronics do at some point, then your backup is in the safe.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by Gaznazdiak » 01 Jan 2019, 1:07 pm

TassieTiger wrote:I’ve literally just been scanning eBay - pretty funny when your looking at the 20 gun safe they advertise on there - they show you a picture of the safe full of firearms - full to the max...but if u count up the firearms, they only managed to get 8 in there....misleading much?


Ever been served a burger that looked anything like as big as those in the ads?
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by Chappo » 01 Jan 2019, 1:09 pm

JWD40 wrote:but then what happens if the electronics die, like die die as most electronics do at some point, then your backup is in the safe.


My back up key is hidden (not in the safe!)
I just find that with a keypad entry the backup key can be hidden really well.
If using the key regularly it tends to be hidden in a more “findable” place.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by bladeracer » 01 Jan 2019, 5:05 pm

TassieTiger wrote:I’ve literally just been scanning eBay - pretty funny when your looking at the 20 gun safe they advertise on there - they show you a picture of the safe full of firearms - full to the max...but if u count up the firearms, they only managed to get 8 in there....misleading much?


I have two "20-gun" safes, and a "14-gun", and a "5-gun"... :-)
For milsurps, shotguns and un-scoped rifles they're very useful, but I think I'd struggle to get twenty in the "20". I doubt I'd get more than seven scoped rifles in one. I keep my rifles in rifle bags and/or gun socks so I can stuff them in without damaging them. Stand a row along the back wall butt-downward, then a second row in front of those muzzle-downward. You still need to pull most of them out to get the one you want though. The rifles I'm using regularly live in another safe so I can reach the one I want easily and quickly.

I have a plan to build a safe that is 2400mm tall, 2400mm wide and 300mm deep...which I'll get to building one day!

I just checked and I have fourteen un-scoped rifles fairly comfortably in one "20-gun" safe. One advantage of the larger safe is that the bolt box in the top is wide enough to take foldable or break down rifles, so there are two more in there.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by marksman » 01 Jan 2019, 5:15 pm

I do not know what part of vic you are from but the easy answer to your question would be to ask the DFO who will be conducting the storage check what he would like to see you own :unknown:

as said earlier school lockers dont cut it anymore, the reason is that they are easily penetrable, they can be opened up with a can opener :wtf:
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by bigfellascott » 01 Jan 2019, 5:33 pm

I'd steer clear of the cheap chinese keypad types, get something that requires a key if you can.
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Re: Beginner gun safe question

Post by bladeracer » 01 Jan 2019, 5:56 pm

I don't consider the gun safe to be for security against gun thieves, more for preventing accidents by people accessing them simply because...guns. Gun safes are the very minimal security the authorities felt they could force us to comply with at our own expense, while appeasing the anti-gun nuts.

For actual security against theft you're better off spending your money on a security system, CCTV and making the room/building more difficult to enter. Multiple safes multiply the amount of time required for thieves to enter them all, also burning up more cutting discs, batteries, and gas to do so. Sirens and strobe lights inside the room make it very difficult for them to concentrate on the job. A smoke machine makes it virtually impossible, but is getting expensive.

Anybody that really wants your guns will simply grab one of your family members and threaten them until you open even the most impenetrable of safes...
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