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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by TassieTiger » 29 Jan 2019, 10:01 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:I know it sounds anal Tas, because I'm pretty isolated here, but except when I'm shooting from or around the house, even when I'm several kms into the property, I operate on range type rules.
Bolt only goes in once I'm positioned, ammo only goes in when I've ID'd a target, bolt out first as soon it's time to move and I carry the 6.5kg beasty with me and never leave it alone, the only time any are left unattended is when they're in the safe.

You're quite entitled to feel you were in the right, because you were, but mate, people are cvnts, look away for 2 seconds they'll have the kidneys out of you.

My advice, if your interested, is this.
You were in the right.
You were on your property.
You went straight to the police.
They were on unregistered vehicles, knowingly and willfully trespassing on land bearing signage warning them off and they endangered themselves by their trespassing, the fact that they then threatened you makes it, unless I'm mistaken( perhaps we have an ambulance chaser in our ranks who could clarify) aggravated criminal trespass.

Perhaps, and it's ridiculous that you should need to do so, but perhaps, some new signage stating that the area is seeded with infrared trailcams and any trespassers will be prosecuted might help.

One thing though, if the land is enclosed by a fence and locked gate, how did they get the bikes in? Did they damage any infrastructure like the fence or the gate?
If so, pictures and back to the cops.


Good advice - absolutely.
When I am sighting in and / or testing - I generally leave the table, cradle, rest and everything as is - with bolt removed and ammo taken away. The gun could not be fired...but these guys would not have known that.

The property is not fenced - its a bit strange in that a main forestry road splits the acreage which effectively means if I were to attempt to fence it, the length of fencing is doubled due to the road...making it something like 12klms of fence...which I cannot afford.

The property backs onto state forest and as previous - there are tracks everywhere...I've come across trail bike riders previously and they have been great - I've even told a few that they are on private property but if they let me finish what I'm doing, as long as the respect the place and don't rubbish, they can do as they please - but it's all about the attitude.
I suspect as someone else has stated - these guys felt threatened / challenged and reacted accordingly.

I do know of others whom upon taking a shot, leave their rifle in their vehicle whilst they walk to their quarry...I am going to have to rethink this.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Gaznazdiak » 29 Jan 2019, 10:08 am

Mate, if you're unfenced, that's a bugger, and fencing is not only a mongrel bastard of a job, but expensive.

I don't envy your quandry Tas, I get shirty if I can here traffic, I would go truly postal in your situation, good luck with it.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by bladeracer » 29 Jan 2019, 10:10 am

TassieTiger wrote:So here's the situation;
I own 300 hectares of bush that is dissected by forestry road that is locked by a boom gate.
The only way to get a key to the boom gate is if you own property, have a valid reason or need.
The edge of my property, borders state forest - and there are tracks everywhere. There are little to no fences.

So, I'm sighting in my rifle at my property and come across 3 older gents on 4 wheelers.
They advise me that I should not be shooting in state forests and take photos of my car, face, etc.
I advise them that I own the property, that i have installed signage every 200 metre's on the property, that they are on private property and they need to leave immediately.
Things then get a little heated verbally and they state they've been going to this area for 30 years and I'm wrong and im doing illegal things and then the bomb shell, one of them declares - "how dare I point a gun at them...."Obviously - I did not point a gun at them.
What had transpired is that I had left a rifle, pointed at my sighting in targets, without the bolt in, with no ammo present, kicked off to one side, whilst I walked to the target to measure a group - when the men came down the dirt path toward me, they drove their 4 wheelers toward the bench rest I had set up and they then noticed a rifle in a rest, pointing in their general direction...they did not know the bolt was out, etc. They traveled down this dirt road, despite signage being erected advising of possible shooting in the area and that it was private property....hmmmm.....The three men advised they would be calling the police and lodging a formal complaint.

My concern now - these 3 clowns call up the police and say, this guy(me) pointed a loaded weapon at them and (insert bulldust story here)....
I actually called the police and advised them what happened, they advised they would wait and see if the 3 clowns would make a complaint.

Is this how easy it is to lose your firearms licence - or am I protected by right of private property laws ? What's to stop these 3 clowns making up some bulldust story and sticking together ??

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They refused to leave after you asked them to.
I would've been taking photos of them and their vehicles and laying charges of trespass against them.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by TassieTiger » 29 Jan 2019, 10:37 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:Mate, if you're unfenced, that's a bugger, and fencing is not only a mongrel bastard of a job, but expensive.

I don't envy your quandry Tas, I get shirty if I can here traffic, I would go truly postal in your situation, good luck with it.
Did the police show any lingering interest or have any suggestions for future interactions?


The police said that, if everything I had said was true - it would be unlikely they'd hear anything from them - due to the fact they were trespassing, etc.
Because they did not have rego or any other identifying mark that I could realistically give the police - if they come forward now, they are effectively dropping themselves into the poo...potentially.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Gaznazdiak » 29 Jan 2019, 10:48 am

TassieTiger wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Mate, if you're unfenced, that's a bugger, and fencing is not only a mongrel bastard of a job, but expensive.

I don't envy your quandry Tas, I get shirty if I can here traffic, I would go truly postal in your situation, good luck with it.
Did the police show any lingering interest or have any suggestions for future interactions?


The police said that, if everything I had said was true - it would be unlikely they'd hear anything from them - due to the fact they were trespassing, etc.
Because they did not have rego or any other identifying mark that I could realistically give the police - if they come forward now, they are effectively dropping themselves into the poo...potentially.


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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by brett1868 » 29 Jan 2019, 2:33 pm

It’s for this type of situation that I keep a photocopy of my lands title along with a map of the boundaries in the glovebox of the Rattler. If anyone tries to convince me they are on public land I’ve got the documentation to prove otherwise.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Patriot » 29 Jan 2019, 3:18 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:I know it sounds anal Tas, because I'm pretty isolated here, but except when I'm shooting from or around the house, even when I'm several kms into the property, I operate on range type rules.
Bolt only goes in once I'm positioned, ammo only goes in when I've ID'd a target, bolt out first as soon it's time to move and I carry the 6.5kg beasty with me and never leave it alone, the only time any are left unattended is when they're in the safe.

You're quite entitled to feel you were in the right, because you were, but mate, people are cvnts, look away for 2 seconds they'll have the kidneys out of you.

My advice, if your interested, is this.
You were in the right.
You were on your property.
You went straight to the police.
They were on unregistered vehicles, knowingly and willfully trespassing on land bearing signage warning them off and they endangered themselves by their trespassing, the fact that they then threatened you makes it, unless I'm mistaken( perhaps we have an ambulance chaser in our ranks who could clarify) aggravated criminal trespass.

Perhaps, and it's ridiculous that you should need to do so, but perhaps, some new signage stating that the area is seeded with infrared trailcams and any trespassers will be prosecuted might help.

One thing though, if the land is enclosed by a fence and locked gate, how did they get the bikes in? Did they damage any infrastructure like the fence or the gate?
If so, pictures and back to the cops.



“People are cvnts” hahaha

I love it, well said
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Ziad » 29 Jan 2019, 3:27 pm

That's my biggest worry when shooting what could happen if I go checking the target, the gun is by itself, ammo there....... I would make sure to take my bolt with me. But in your case, maybe run 1 or 2 strands of wire around the ara you shot in. So they can't come close.

Actually this reminds me if of old movies and decapitated bike riders.... very likely get in trouble for that
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Blr243 » 29 Jan 2019, 3:37 pm

Do not be concerned. U have done nothing wrong. The police will not respect info from three or 30 tresspaseesers breaking the law and not even knowing where they were. They will be much more likely to believe the words of one person doin the right thing. Just tell the truth There’s a good chance that after the encounter the tresspasers did some research and realised they were trespassing Then they would not be making a report for fear of embarrassing themselves and fear of prosecution. Hopefully u have scared them away and they won’t enter your land again
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by southeast varmiter » 29 Jan 2019, 6:43 pm

Rule number one when seeing others is do not interact until you have stored your firearm.
We had an encounter with those c*nts of the forest folk a while back. Looking deliberately to get into an argument with hunters with firearms.
We saw them approach. Walked away and secured firearms in vehicle to which they showed great annoyance.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by TassieTiger » 29 Jan 2019, 7:56 pm

southeast varmiter wrote:Rule number one when seeing others is do not interact until you have stored your firearm.
We had an encounter with those c*nts of the forest folk a while back. Looking deliberately to get into an argument with hunters with firearms.
We saw them approach. Walked away and secured firearms in vehicle to which they showed great annoyance.


I wish I could have done this - but it was just so unexpected and I was too far away.
Makes for interesting discussion / learning...I’m thinking I might drop a few strategic trees.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Gaznazdiak » 29 Jan 2019, 8:13 pm

Just being the devil's advocate Tass, it might pay to call first, if the tracks around you are used for fire etc, dropping trees across one might put you in deep sh!t if the firies have to use it in a hurry.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by bigrich » 30 Jan 2019, 4:37 am

After reading all the posts on this topic, I’m appalled that there’s so many self important, self entitled @ssholes that think they can do whatever they want with no regard for land ownership and/or green types who want confrontation with firearms owners. Hopefully there will be some successful legal prosecutions of these idiots
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by bigrich » 30 Jan 2019, 4:42 am

southeast varmiter wrote:Rule number one when seeing others is do not interact until you have stored your firearm.
We had an encounter with those c*nts of the forest folk a while back. Looking deliberately to get into an argument with hunters with firearms.
We saw them approach. Walked away and secured firearms in vehicle to which they showed great annoyance.


These sorts of people and possible confrontation are what put me off getting a R license to hunt state forest. I hope their happy with government baiting programs and all the collateral wildlife deaths
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by southeast varmiter » 30 Jan 2019, 6:52 am

bigrich wrote:After reading all the posts on this topic, I’m appalled that there’s so many self important, self entitled @ssholes that think they can do whatever they want with no regard for land ownership and/or green types who want confrontation with firearms owners. Hopefully there will be some successful legal prosecutions of these idiots

I doubt it. Half sit on the bench.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Oldbloke » 30 Jan 2019, 7:29 am

TassieTiger wrote:I wish I could have done this - but it was just so unexpected and I was too far away.
Makes for interesting discussion / learning...I’m thinking I might drop a few strategic trees.


Perhaps some additional signage too. Maybe make up a stencil.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by Archie » 30 Jan 2019, 7:45 am

bigrich wrote:
southeast varmiter wrote:Rule number one when seeing others is do not interact until you have stored your firearm.
We had an encounter with those c*nts of the forest folk a while back. Looking deliberately to get into an argument with hunters with firearms.
We saw them approach. Walked away and secured firearms in vehicle to which they showed great annoyance.


These sorts of people and possible confrontation are what put me off getting a R license to hunt state forest. I hope their happy with government baiting programs and all the collateral wildlife deaths


To be honest I almost never see anyone else in state forests in NSW. Sometimes on weekends in the bigger ones with more recreational uses but in the logging ones you're usually the only person for miles.

I think making sure you have your phone on you to record any interaction isn't a bad idea.
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Re: Protecting yourself from idiots

Post by wanneroo » 30 Jan 2019, 8:56 am

bigrich wrote:After reading all the posts on this topic, I’m appalled that there’s so many self important, self entitled @ssholes that think they can do whatever they want with no regard for land ownership and/or green types who want confrontation with firearms owners. Hopefully there will be some successful legal prosecutions of these idiots


Yes it's always interesting people want free use of your land but don't want to pay the property taxes on it or contribute to the upkeep and maintenance costs.

I found you have to enforce your property line and make it difficult to access and if need be enforce it legally. If you don't they'll just do whatever they want.
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