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And just like that all my guns were seized by police

Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 7:26 am

Well last night was a surprise. We have foster children in our care and the kids father made one threat via text message towards me after he found out family and community services made a decision he cant see his kids due to his current mental health. My wife and i decided to report it to police and just get a record of it incase we needed to refer back to it at a later date.

An hour later 2 cop cars containing 4 cops knocked on the door and took our statement and informed us they remove firearms from all parties involved for a period of 28 days plus re-assessment time wether they are guilty or a victim. Even though i didn't say a word or even respond and he doesn't know where we live and doesn't even know we have firearms i still lose them. They said i have the option to not comply but that would result in one of the officers driving back to the station, getting a warrant and returning to seize them whilst the remaining 3 officers waited here.

I was commended on how i store my forearms with trigger locks on, clear chamber flags in and bolts, ammo and rifles stored in 3 seperate locked recepticles.

So the lesson here is if you want to keep your guns don't tell the police anything.
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Post by drewvale » 13 Mar 2019, 7:35 am

WOW, that's unbelievable.
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Post by Daddybang » 13 Mar 2019, 7:40 am

That's f@#ken disgraceful. Might be worth seeking some legal advice as ya have done nothing wrong . :unknown: :unknown: :unknown:
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Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 8:38 am

Just had a follow up meeting with the licensing officers at local police station. Had to hand in my ammo also and my license is suspended. They admit i did nothing wrong and this is all "procedure". It's just bloody annoying, Now i have a firearms license suspension on my file. I've only just got my license about 6 months ago and did a 28 day cooling off period for the license, a 28 day cooling off period for my first PTA and now i have to do another 28 day cooling period because of one threat made to me via text by a bloke who doesn't know where i live or know that i even have firearms.
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Post by trekin » 13 Mar 2019, 8:53 am

On the upside, he will now find it hard to get the police to believe him if he now accuses you of threatening to shoot him.
And as you now have nothing else to lose, have you contacted the AFP?, making threats over telecommunications services is a Federal offnce.
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Post by fishburgr » 13 Mar 2019, 8:57 am

Wow, this is so wrong.
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Mar 2019, 9:07 am

Unbelievable...I cannot understand this thinking. What happened to innocent until proven guilty ?
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Post by marksman » 13 Mar 2019, 9:09 am

It IS a f@rken disgrace
it shows that the laws are SH!T, you get severely punished for being threatened :thumbsdown: WTF
I will not be involving the police for anything :wtf:
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Post by Daddybang » 13 Mar 2019, 9:15 am

Anyone know any journos that are not hostile to shooters ?????
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Post by bladeracer » 13 Mar 2019, 9:30 am

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Post by Bruiser64 » 13 Mar 2019, 9:36 am

This is a terrible situation. The real issue for me is the lack of support for someone who has taken on the role of foster parent. What the OP hasn’t made clear is that he and his wife are a pair of outstanding people to take on this challenge. To get through the process to be approved to be foster caters is challenging. Clearly the Child Protection authorities in NSW were satisfied they are good people. It is appalling that a person who has had their children removed from their care can have this negative effect on a decent caring member of the community. My advice would be to get legal advice(at Child Protections expense if possible) before doing anything.
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Post by hzj80 » 13 Mar 2019, 9:48 am

Did they give you any written notification stating the actual reason they've suspended your license?
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Mar 2019, 9:59 am

As mentioned in the thread - what message does this send to legal gun owners thinking of reporting a crime...it’s insane.
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Post by No1_49er » 13 Mar 2019, 10:26 am

I think you need to be considering engaging a good lawyer; one who knows firearms law.

Start reading from here: - https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1996/46/id39 and each section going forward (22 - 25 incl.)

Unless the police are using one or other of the "get out/cover all" sub-para's, and the way you have presented the scenario, there is a great wrong being perpetrated here. A threat has been made against you, no AVO is in place or even instigated, due process may not have been followed.

Unfortunately, once the firearms have been seized and your licence cancelled/revoked, ammunition must also go because in the strict terms of law you no longer have lawful authority to have ammunition.

Find that legal representation - quickly.
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Post by pomemax » 13 Mar 2019, 12:23 pm

You are not the first to have this happen I have heard of a few You can stir the pot or wait 28 days and get them back .
I would be asking who give him your phone number and why he needs it.
I would be pointing out To Child Protection authorities in NSW if you still foster children how you can maintain your privacy in the future.
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Post by Kumaabear » 13 Mar 2019, 12:49 pm

I would have been taking that refusal offer and contacting a lawyer immediately, right in front of said 3 remaining police.

There is no guarantee that the promise of returning with a warrant would have even happened, police often have no idea what the law is in such niche areas but you would expect that the guy signing warrants may well know whats allowed.

I personally think us Australians are far too quick to forfeit our rights in the face of a polite police requests and veiled threats and the police know and often count on it.

If they were coming there to seize the firearms then they should have brought a warrant, if they don't have one with them when they rock up either they are incompetent or they were not sure if a warrant would be granted and were happy to try and intimidate you into surrendering your property, perhaps both.

I would not be surprised if they have been logged in the system as voluntarily surrendered or something along those lines rather than seized for X reason.

Rocking up without a warrant to seize something, then having to "go get one" just makes no sense whatsoever.

What a joke
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Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 13 Mar 2019, 1:35 pm

Kumaabear wrote: I would not be surprised if they have been logged in the system as voluntarily surrendered or something along those lines rather than seized for X reason.

Rocking up without a warrant to seize something, then having to "go get one" just makes no sense whatsoever.


I'm with you on this one Kumaabear... if they had the power under legislation to seize them in these circumstances without needing a warrant, they simply could have taken them, no need to ask for your permission or compliance and no need for a warrant.

You have just experienced first hand the application of section 101 of the Ways and Means Act (NSW)

I'll bet too their record shows you voluntarily handed them in.
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