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Post by brett1868 » 13 Mar 2019, 2:07 pm

2freeq wrote:Just had a follow up meeting with the licensing officers at local police station. Had to hand in my ammo also and my license is suspended. They admit i did nothing wrong and this is all "procedure". It's just bloody annoying, Now i have a firearms license suspension on my file. I've only just got my license about 6 months ago and did a 28 day cooling off period for the license, a 28 day cooling off period for my first PTA and now i have to do another 28 day cooling period because of one threat made to me via text by a bloke who doesn't know where i live or know that i even have firearms.


What station? Don't worry about your file, your licence was actually seized and not suspended. You can check the status online in a few days and you'll see that it's still Valid.
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Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 5:44 pm

My license was actually suspended. I had to go back there this morning and hand in my ammo too. They said its standard procedure to remove all firearms from all domestic dispute situations. I spoke to a firearms solicitor today and he has made it very clear that although its wrong, its what they do and the best course of action is to wait out the 28 days.

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Re: And just like that all my guns were seized by police

Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 5:47 pm

In hindsight now i've gotten over the surprise and shock i do understand the logic behind removing firearms from hostile situations but this wasnt a hostile situation.
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Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 5:50 pm

This is what happens if i check my license status online now.

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Post by Download » 13 Mar 2019, 6:09 pm

"Domestic violence". What a joke. These cops clearly need to go back for remedial training in what domestic violence is.
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Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 6:12 pm

Download wrote:"Domestic violence". What a joke. These cops clearly need to go back for remedial training in what domestic violence is.


I think thats what im pissed off at. Going off the paperwork someone who doesnt know the story (firearms registry etc etc) would interpret that as i am the offender.

Meanwhile whilst all this is happening to me the guy who created this drama has had no consequences for his actions
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Post by Daddybang » 13 Mar 2019, 8:22 pm

Again this is just f@#kin disgraceful !! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :drinks:
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Post by marksman » 13 Mar 2019, 8:24 pm

In hindsight now i've gotten over the surprise and shock i do understand the logic behind removing firearms from hostile situations but this wasnt a hostile situation.

there's no logic behind you, the abused, being punished for being abused :thumbsdown:


"Meanwhile whilst all this is happening to me the guy who created this drama has had no consequences for his actions"

exactly :thumbsdown:

wait it out and dont ever contact them about being abused again :wtf:
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Post by Daddybang » 13 Mar 2019, 8:26 pm

marksman wrote:In hindsight now i've gotten over the surprise and shock i do understand the logic behind removing firearms from hostile situations but this wasnt a hostile situation.

there's no logic behind you, the abused, being punished for being abused :thumbsdown:


"Meanwhile whilst all this is happening to me the guy who created this drama has had no consequences for his actions"

exactly :thumbsdown:


wait it out and dont ever contact them about being abused again :wtf:


+1 :drinks:
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Post by Oldbloke » 13 Mar 2019, 8:36 pm

marksman wrote:In hindsight now i've gotten over the surprise and shock i do understand the logic behind removing firearms from hostile situations but this wasnt a hostile situation.

there's no logic behind you, the abused, being punished for being abused :thumbsdown:


"Meanwhile whilst all this is happening to me the guy who created this drama has had no consequences for his actions"

exactly :thumbsdown:

wait it out and dont ever contact them about being abused again :wtf:


+1.
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Post by 2freeq » 13 Mar 2019, 8:57 pm

Yeah i learnt a lesson today and hopefully someone else will learn from my mistake.

When a innocent law abiding firearm owner who is apparently deemed a "fit and proper person" gets punished and the drug affected criminal with multiple recent arrests and severe untreated mental health problems doesn't even get spoken to or a home visit, It's time to re-evaluate who you turn to for help. If i ever end up in a position where i need them i will have that hesitation that if i call them they will take my guns all over again.

I will play along and comply to their requests and hopefully get my firearms back after the 28 days but i will never seek their assistance again.
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Post by Oldbloke » 13 Mar 2019, 9:11 pm

Sucks big time.
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Post by TassieTiger » 13 Mar 2019, 9:31 pm

I recall in my youth, jumpingbin to help out a young lass who was getting the heck smacked out of her - only to have allegations then levelled at myself...since then, I’ve always said I’d reconsider 50/50 getting involved if presented with the same situation.
Based on this story and now as a legal fireArm owner? Never again...
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Post by brett1868 » 13 Mar 2019, 9:36 pm

Wasn't going to advertise this but I'll fill you in on my experience over Christmas.

I have an estranged relative who I've had no contact with since he physically assaulted my then 3yr old son back in 2008, I'll call him "Bob" for the purpose of this post. Around October last year a relative told me that "Bob" was wanting my number as he was trying to keep me out of gaol, relative refused and called me. We both scratched our heads and dismissed it as the ravings of an idiot. On the 12th of December I received a threatening text message from "Bob", I knew who it was based on the content. I thought wtf??? nothing in 10yrs and the first contact is a threat.

The first instinct was to just ignore it and hope nothing further came of it but after further consideration I decided to report it to the Police. There were 2 compelling reasons to report it, 1. I am legally obliged under the crimes act to report any threat involving the use of a firearm and 2. Having personally known 2 people that lost their marbles and killed multiple people in the last 12 months I wanted something on the record in the event Bob went postal.
On advice from a solicitor I attended Riverstone Police and proceeded to make a complaint, I asked multiple times for a senior officer and was denied this request. After a discussion with the constable I was informed that if I proceeded with the complaint that my firearms would be seized for 28 days. I was due to depart the next day on a 10 day hunting trip with my son so I withdrew the complaint and said that I would revisit the matter on my return. I departed the station believing the matter resolved.

Imagine my surprise at 10am the next morning when the Police roll up on my door step wanting my firearms.....After a bit of heated back and forth I agreed to co-operate as there was no way to win. I asked if they had a truck, they asked why, I showed them what I have, they agreed to come back in a couple hours with a van and a 3rd officer. It took 3 officers, a big ass van, 2 cars and 7 hours to catalogue and load my items. I was fortunate that the 3 officers were quite understanding of the situation and allowed me to box and pack things how I wanted so as to prevent any damage. They also took the opportunity to do a full audit, we were surprised at just how inaccurate their records were. I had several firearms which they had no record of despite owning them for a few years or more. Being an anal retentive type I keep immaculate records and for each undocumented firearm I produced its registration.

Once the firearms were loaded the subject switched to ammunition, I gave them 2 choices they could load the locked cases or they could go to the station and grab 10 more guys and start counting individual rounds. At the time I had just over 800kg of loaded ammo so they took option 1 :) While all this was going on I had a call from the inspector as I had raised concerns about security at the station, he informed me that they had allocated a whole room to me and only 2 people had access to it and every care would be taken to look after my items. At the finish the officer took my license and large caliber permit into his possession. I should mention that the officers acted professionally at all times and took into account that I was the "victim" in this matter.

That evening I attended the station and filed the complaint that I had withdrawn the day before as I figured I may as well considering the worse has already happened. "Bob" got a nasty knock on the door the next morning and had his firearms seized along with being questioned about the assault 10yrs prior along with the current threatening text message. I cannot comment further on his situation as the matter is before the courts.

A couple days passed and I arranged a meeting with the deputy chief inspector in charge of the region, as I walked into the interview room a comment was made about my massive "arsenal". I mentioned that Zombies were a problem in the Pilliga Scrub and wanted to be prepared, he cracked up laughing and we had a great chat about guns in general for a couple hours. He had gone to the trouble of taking photos of the room showing how they had stored my items and I was more relaxed about the situation. I was advised to write a letter to the regional commander outlining the situation and why I should have my license / firearms returned. I promptly wrote and submitted the letter and on day 28 I was told my firearms could be picked up from the station, they offered to deliver but I wanted to check stuff as it came out of the lockup. I took the boy with me, got some funny looks from the officers as they handed pistols to the boy so he could check and clear them. I offered to produce his permits but they didn't seem to worry about it. I think every 2nd cop in the station came over to speak to me at some stage, they were all either collectors or shooters :)

I was unlucky that this occurred but fortunately had a bunch of good natured professional coppers that understood I was the victim in this. My gear was seized under section 82 & 83 of the LEPRA Act part 6.

I believe that you were screwed over royally by the police in this instance as the decision to suspend your license is discretionary and I doubt based on what you said they can prove the decision justified as they didn't follow the "Domestic and Family Violence Standard Operating Procedures 2018". My license remained "Valid" during the 28 days and even had a couple Cat H PTA's turn up in the mail. One thing they didn't do was to seize my ammunition dealers permit, probably didn't show up on their checks as its issued in my company name.

If you feel like a chat then drop me a line :)

It's a pain, it's stressful but there's not much you could have done to avoid it. Be happy that you obeyed the law and sleep easy, this will be over in due time.
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Post by BangBangSkeetSkeet » 13 Mar 2019, 10:02 pm

On the ace of the suspension notice, your licence has been suspended, your firearms have been seized.
Reading the suspension notice (2nd photo_ the suspension expiry date is stated as "until lifted by NSW Firearms Registry".
What is that about and how does that fit into the 28 day narrative?
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Post by brett1868 » 13 Mar 2019, 10:11 pm

BangBangSkeetSkeet wrote:On the ace of the suspension notice, your licence has been suspended, your firearms have been seized.
Reading the suspension notice (2nd photo_ the suspension expiry date is stated as "until lifted by NSW Firearms Registry".
What is that about and how does that fit into the 28 day narrative?


I read that as well and what I was told in my case was that I could apply to have the seizure lifted earlier then 28 days and maybe that's why it's there. On the negative side of that he'll need to make a case to the commissioner as to why his license should be reinstated and that's cause for concern but not the end of the world. I'm still puzzled as to why they suspended it as that's a serious step for them to take...
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Re: And just like that all my guns were seized by police

Post by Stix » 13 Mar 2019, 10:22 pm

Can a formal letter asking "why the suspension" be written to the commisioner...?

Our society is "supposed" to run under the principle of common law as i understand it...so surely when this hsppens to the common man he is entitled to a reasonable & truthful answer (s) from the governing &/or judicial body... :unknown:

Id be asking the lawyer about the suspension...then ask another one...

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Post by deye243 » 13 Mar 2019, 10:37 pm

This does not surprise me at all as all states have s**t in place as too when you get a firearms licence you atomaticly forfeit your rights as an Australian citizen.
Just look at Vic you have a licence and all the cops have to do is knock on your door and say I suspect you have an unlicensed or regoed firearm and they can serch your home sheds the lot and NO warrant.
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