Registration of Unregistered Firearm

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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Shrapnel 118 » 01 May 2019, 6:21 pm

I also called a QLD firearm dealer today to see what its like in Queensland and he said you simply just have to just bring it in and get a PTA.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by pomemax » 01 May 2019, 6:30 pm

What if the firearms are unregistered?
Unregistered firearms, must be immediately surrendered to police. It is an offence to
supply, acquire, possess or use an unregistered firearm - section 36(1) of the Act.
However, section 60 of the Act provides for an exemption to prosecution for the
offence of unauthorised possession of a firearm, provided the firearm is immediately
surrendered to police.
Following surrender of the firearms to police, an application may be made to the
court to allow you, as a licensee, to register those firearms to your licence.
If the court allows registration of the firearms, you will need to make application for a
PTA for each firearm.
Licence and permit holders can apply for a PTA a firearm online at the Service NSW
website (http://www.service.nsw.gov.au). A fee of $30 is required for each PTA application
(one application per firearm). Consideration of a fee waiver may be given if proof of
inheritance is provided. Approval for a fee waiver is determined by the General
Manager, Firearms Registry.
When your PTA has been issued, you will need to arrange for a NSW firearms dealer
to take possession of the firearm from police to register the firearm. You then take
your issued PTA to that dealer who will authorise the transfer of registration
transaction and send the required information to the Firearms Registry.
A registration certificate will be posted to you after all the necessary paperwork has
been received and processed by the Firearms Registry.
What if I am the executor, administrator and/or beneficiary of a deceased
estate and I live interstate?
Contact the Firearms Registry on 02 6670 8590 for further information
it take minutes to find
This is all for the Deceased estate if the person responsible for the estate just handed you a firearm or you are not the e executor or administrator of the estate or if they passed away more than 6 months ago.
Might cause you a few problems if you just walk into a police station with it cause you technically do not have a reason to have said firearm. But you may find its registered .
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Member-Deleted » 01 May 2019, 6:52 pm

CQshayne mate it was about 18mths or so ago or 2yrs ago at most I actually spoke to on this forum about it at the time about getting a 303 for $1 the oridinal owner passed away leaving his farm to his son who then gave it to his son who found the old rifle and the rest is history as I said the gun shop done a check and I presume it was relayed back to the police to see if it was stolen or used in any thefts or murders I wasn't allowed to take the rifle from the GS until all the paper work and licence addition was verified which took about 3-4weeks then I collected it from the GS after showing them my licence and ok'd paper work pretty simple really I can't see why they'd make it hard for someone to take an unregistered gun in and either register it in their name or just hand it in but getting caught with one is a different matter we don't seem to have all that tightness around guns up here but we do have to do things open and lawful if they detect any BS going on then they'll come down on you like a ton of bricks and make it very hard for you then but it would be your own fault for trying to pull the wool over their eyes Now like I said I explained myself clearly to them and where the rifle came from and what I wanted and they were very helpful had I been dodgy I would have been sorted out quiet quickly no fear of that
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by GojiraSteve » 01 May 2019, 8:23 pm

pomemax wrote:Following surrender of the firearms to police, an application may be made to the
court to allow you, as a licensee, to register those firearms to your licence.
If the court allows registration of the firearms, you will need to make application for a
PTA for each firearm.
Licence and permit holders can apply for a PTA a firearm online at the Service NSW
website (http://www.service.nsw.gov.au). A fee of $30 is required for each PTA application
(one application per firearm). Consideration of a fee waiver may be given if proof of
inheritance is provided. Approval for a fee waiver is determined by the General
Manager, Firearms Registry.
When your PTA has been issued, you will need to arrange for a NSW firearms dealer
to take possession of the firearm from police to register


Jesus f***ing Christ! It's like they WANT people to transport said firearm across the QLD border, drop it at a gun shop there, and arrange an interstate transfer through their LGS back home...
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Chappo » 01 May 2019, 8:53 pm

Yeah it strikes me as odd that you now (seemingly) can’t register anything unregistered in nsw. Surely it’s in everyone’s best interests to remove illegal firearms from existence.

Yes I know you still can surrender them but who wants to do that?

People are more likely to either hide them in the hope that one day they can register them or like gorjirasteve said try to get around it by going interstate.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 01 May 2019, 9:17 pm

Sorry no1. As I said I am on mobile and state doesn't come up.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Chappo » 01 May 2019, 9:21 pm

Hey Ziad. I’m on mobile too and on my phone the state does come up if you turn the phone on it’s side.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by on_one_wheel » 01 May 2019, 9:34 pm

It's in the police force best interest to have people register unregistered firearms.

They know full well if they make it difficult then they'll be more "grey market" firearms our there waiting to fall into the wrong hands.

I know that in SA the best way to legalize an unregistered firearm is to take it to a firearms dealer. Just as previously stated earlier here.

Doing it asap is very important. I wouldn't want to be caught with it before you get the chance.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by duncan61 » 01 May 2019, 10:08 pm

Very confident that W.A. has had an amnesty for a long time.If you find an old 303 you can get licensed for it.Now I am into target shooting I would claim its for service rifle
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by No1_49er » 01 May 2019, 10:18 pm

Ziad wrote:Sorry no1. As I said I am on mobile and state doesn't come up.

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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by zhuk » 01 May 2019, 10:24 pm

Wouldn't surprise me Chappo. I did it with my deceased uncle's ancient air rifle because he wanted me to have it (no one of his immediate family was licensed)

But then again, an amnesty happened to be in force at the time..so what the dealers are saying is probably right. There has been at least a couple of legislative overhauls since 2008 so wouldn't surprise me either if the online info is out of date.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by BBJ » 01 May 2019, 10:25 pm

Print out the doc linked from the NSW Police site that says you can take it to a dealer (just to cover your bases on that 1/1000 chance you got pulled over on your way there) and take it to a dealer ASAP.

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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Chappo » 01 May 2019, 10:27 pm

No1_49er wrote:It appears to be that Chappo is relying on some old memory cells. :lol:

I don't see any need for corroboration.

You can either surrender it :thumbsdown: , OR, if you want is as a keeper, do exactly as they say. Take it to your dealer who will make it lawful by including it in the NSW Registry, and you apply for your PTA :thumbsup:

Easy, either way :)


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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by trekin » 02 May 2019, 5:37 am

CQshayne, there has been an unoffical amnesty here in QLD for many years now. However, be advised that it is, (except at the times when made offical by the Govt), unoffical and if you, as a LAFO, run into the wrong copper/judge combination if caught transporting an unregistered firearm, you potentially face a $14000+ fine/loss of licence, firearms. I have had a number of unregistered firearms offered to me over the years, and in these cases I have had the person doing the offering transport the firearm to the dealers with me following in a diffent vehicle.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by No1_49er » 02 May 2019, 11:03 am

Chappo wrote:
No1_49er wrote:It appears to be that Chappo is relying on some old memory cells. :lol:

I don't see any need for corroboration.

You can either surrender it :thumbsdown: , OR, if you want is as a keeper, do exactly as they say. Take it to your dealer who will make it lawful by including it in the NSW Registry, and you apply for your PTA :thumbsup:

Easy, either way :)


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Yep, you too Chappo :thumbsup:

The link that was posted re the either / or surrender to police or a dealer is very old (v1.1 Sep 2008). Why it still exists, when the current version (v2.0) dated Nov 2018 is beyond me. Even more of a mystery is why would NSW Police end their amnesty, instead of leaving it open/continuous, as in QLD?
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Member-Deleted » 02 May 2019, 11:36 am

Shrapnel mate what I would do I would get in contact with my LGS ask his opinion and make an arrangement for you to take the rifle in for the paper work give him the serial number then proceed if by any chance you are pulled up and found to have an unregistered fire arm on your person then a phone call from the cop would clear the situation up any cop worth his salt would see you are doing the right thing he would look a fool to book you whilst you're trying to do what is right it would go against what they're trying to achieve I can't see any problem make sure you transport it in a proper manner of what is required to transport a fire arm Mate there's no doomsday here just pure honesty and the 1/10000 chance of being pulled over then they will clearly see things are being done in the legal and proper manner what else can they ask for
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Chappo » 02 May 2019, 12:01 pm

No1_49er wrote:
The link that was posted re the either / or surrender to police or a dealer is very old (v1.1 Sep 2008). Why it still exists, when the current version (v2.0) dated Nov 2018 is beyond me. Even more of a mystery is why would NSW Police end their amnesty, instead of leaving it open/continuous, as in QLD?


Agreed.
My understanding is that an official amnesty costs the gov money to run and the last one in NSW was disappointing for them as the numbers of guns brought forward to be registered or destroyed were way down from the previous amnesty.
There has however always been a pathway for unregistered guns to be registered without an amnesty in place. Why this pathway was recently closed is beyond me too and only asking for trouble!

From what I’ve heard from different sources I doubt there will be another amnesty in NSW soon but the pathway to legalise unregistered firearms will open back up.
Fingers crossed anyway.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Strangedog » 02 May 2019, 12:58 pm

I found some firearms once. About six years ago. Took em all to a dealer. He wrote some note to cover me if the cops pulled me up. Registered the one I wanted to keep, he paid me money for the others. Don't take them to the police, they just end up being destroyed. Take them to a dealer. Phone and arrange to do so before. I thought there was a permanent amnesty arrangement. Stupid if there wasn't.
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by Member-Deleted » 02 May 2019, 1:36 pm

Just spoke to my local cop an Amnesty is for people wanting to hand guns in to collect money for those guns (if they're legal tender)with no reprisal or for people to make unregistered guns legal when an amnesty is called off people can still hand guns in with no money return or register them it is when you are caught ie in a raid or using it or dobbed in or in other words intending to keep an illegal firearm they are not going or will not interfere with legal intentions it's not in their interest however all due process has to be done in an open and legal way ie LGS ,pta ,leave firearm at dealers till made legal with paper work and licence
There is no option but for police to charge someone without proof of intent to legalise a firearm his advice and he believes for most states is get it seen to immediately notify your local GS and sort the transport to them and start the process then it is in legal possession and the process can begin it's just a formality if you hesitate then you are in possession of an illegal firearm having good intentions doesn't mean you have proof of your intentions
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Re: Registration of Unregistered Firearm

Post by GQshayne » 03 May 2019, 7:45 pm

Righto, thanks for the tips fellas.
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