NSW-At what point do reloading components become Ammunition

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NSW-At what point do reloading components become Ammunition

Post by Kumaabear » 21 May 2019, 8:49 am

Hey all, sorry if this has been asked before but a search didn't find an answer.

I have just started reloading, and it occurred to me that I have no idea at what point I need to store my partly reloaded shells in my safe.

Is it okay to leave my primed but not charged brass on my reloading bench or does it need "safe storage"

Alternatively can it just be locked up where I store my powder, (just a locked tool box) until it becomes a completed cartridge

In my head it isn't technically "ammunition" until the moment I seat the bullet in a charged casing but as usual there is little clear guidance in the laws.
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Post by YoungBuck » 21 May 2019, 9:23 am

Not 100% sure about NSW but in Vic your live primers and powder need to be locked up.
So putting a primer into a case (even without the powder or bullet) requires it to be locked away when unattended.
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Post by pomemax » 21 May 2019, 12:11 pm

Ammunition by definition, Will have a case a primmer and power if any of these are missing its not ammunition in nsw , some states require you to consider just brass as rounds.
I believe in Nsw the work-cover act covers powder and primmer,s re storage .
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Post by No1_49er » 21 May 2019, 1:30 pm


Interesting to note that an airgun pellet (FFS) is classed as ammunition, but shot is not. :?:

What is Ammunition?
Ammunition is defined in section 4 of the Firearms Act 1996 as:
Any article consisting of a cartridge case fitted with a primer and a projectile (think 22BB or 22CB), or
Any article consisting of a cartridge case fitted with a primer and containing a propelling charge and a projectile, or
Blank cartridges, airgun pellets, training cartridges or gas cartridges, or
Any other article prescribed by the regulations for the purpose of this definition.

Imagine this scene :lol:
Somebody "drops" a couple of tins of airgun pellets AND a similar quantity of shot, along a well used street.
Would plod have palpitations about all that ammunition being found on the street, where non-licenced people have access to it, or would it dawn on them that the law is an ass :thumbsdown:
Oh dear; we'll have to collect all the ammo', but we'll leave the shot. :wtf:

Who writes fvk'd up law like that? :unknown:
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Post by brett1868 » 21 May 2019, 4:01 pm

No1_49er wrote:

Interesting to note that an airgun pellet (FFS) is classed as ammunition, but shot is not. :?:

What is Ammunition?
Ammunition is defined in section 4 of the Firearms Act 1996 as:
Any article consisting of a cartridge case fitted with a primer and a projectile (think 22BB or 22CB), or
Any article consisting of a cartridge case fitted with a primer and containing a propelling charge and a projectile, or
Blank cartridges, airgun pellets, training cartridges or gas cartridges, or
Any other article prescribed by the regulations for the purpose of this definition.

Imagine this scene :lol:
Somebody "drops" a couple of tins of airgun pellets AND a similar quantity of shot, along a well used street.
Would plod have palpitations about all that ammunition being found on the street, where non-licenced people have access to it, or would it dawn on them that the law is an ass :thumbsdown:
Oh dear; we'll have to collect all the ammo', but we'll leave the shot. :wtf:

Who writes fvk'd up law like that? :unknown:


Even stupider if that's possible is that "Snap Caps" could be considered "Training Cartridges" and need to be locked up... :crazy:

To answer the OP, Primers, Powder & Loaded ammunition needs to be secured so technically once you prime the case it should be securely stored.
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Post by wannabustbunnies » 04 Jun 2019, 5:39 pm

A primed case doesn't contain a "propelling charge" or a projectile so going by their own definition above it wouldn't need to be stored any differently than a fired case
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Post by Gamerancher » 06 Jun 2019, 8:22 am

Do you want to put it all at risk over an interpretation of what constitutes "ammunition"?

I've had one copper have problems with my projectile supply being kept on shelves in my gun room while doing an inspection.
He reckoned that they were unsecured ammunition. After trying to explain that they were just inert pieces of metal no more dangerous than a fishing sinker he was still adamant that they should be locked away and that I was in breach of the safe storage laws. It was only when his off-sider, ( a young female constable ), pointed out that they were actually "secured" due to they fact that the room was normally locked, that he backed down.
The problem is that it is not your interpretation of the law, it is the the perception of the police officer who is doing the inspection.

Personally, I have powder locked away in a solid TIMBER storage, primers stored separately from that, any loaded ammo stored locked away in another cupboard, and any primed cases are stored in a small locked cupboard above my loading bench where I'm working on them.
My projectile supply is still stored on the shelves, f@ck him.

Basically, if can go "bang", lock it up.
AND, yes it is stupid but, air rifle pellets are classed as ammunition in NSW.
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Post by brett1868 » 06 Jun 2019, 8:56 am

wannabustbunnies wrote:A primed case doesn't contain a "propelling charge" or a projectile so going by their own definition above it wouldn't need to be stored any differently than a fired case


Primers are a class 1.4c explosive which is required to be stored securely. Keep in mind that the firearms act only relates to ammunition, with powder & primers being handled under the "Explosives Regulation 2013" act in NSW which requires secure storage of all explosives. Other states have similar regulations that also require secure storage of explosives. Technically the only component that doesn't require secure storage in NSW is the bare case and projectile but other states may have different requirements.
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