Western Australia reloading components storage

[Streamline]

I'm keen on getting to Canada to get away from this nonsense.

Who's with me? Group forum buy on tickets?

Lorgar knows the hunting spots...

Put me down.

I'm in.

Great photos too, Lorgar.

[Lyam]

It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading!

Someone floated the idea of a group buy of a private island for hunting/shooting.

I'm keen

[FiftyCal]

I only have a 4 gun buffalo rivers safe which has a small ammunition compartment in it but not enough for brass, projectiles, powders and primers.

I was wondering if there is something I am missing or do you guys have a separate safe for your reloading components?

Nope, you're not missing anything.

As discussed, ammo and components have to be stored securely and separately to the rifles (don't put the ammo on the floor in your safe).

If the separate section in your safe will hold the ammo, great. If not you will basically need to get an ammo safe for your reloading components.

Welcome to shooting in WA

Just thought I would add to this thread, I know it's old, but I think it's important to note a change to storage of powder as this is now the jursidiction of Department of Mines and Petroleum. http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Black-powder-p ... 18581.aspx
It's no longer a good idea to store powder in your safe, needs to be as per DMP requirements.

Cheers

[DJCoopes]

It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading! Bit like amputating a gangrenous limb.

We tried that a while ago, and the results are sitting on some brit's desk to this day... damned monarchist commonwealth

[Bruiser64]

The reason for the powder storage rule is so that it can be easily removed in the event of an emergency such as a fire. You need to have a label identifying your powder container as “explosives” so attending emergency services personnel can identify it as a risk and easily remove it if they have to. I am of the opinion that the rule is actually a sensible one in that context.

[zhuk]

Could be an apocryphal "WA-is-crazy" story we in the eastern States hear, but is it the case that if you're shooting in WA with a mate who is using a different calibre to the one you're licensed, picking up one of their brass would mean committing an offence?

I mean, I wouldn't surprise.me lol

[DJCoopes]

It must suck bad to be a west aussie - think you guys should succeed from the commonwealth to stop the rubbish from spreading!

Someone floated the idea of a group buy of a private island for hunting/shooting.

I'm keen

Same.

[kb1]

so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????

[Gaznazdiak]

It's been said before, but needs saying again.

The tragedy is WA is simply awful.

[No1_49er]

so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????

It is my understanding that even a spent 22 rimfire case (never mind that it can't be re-loaded) is considered to be "ammunition".
On ya, WA. Your servants and their minions write this stuff and enact into the statutes of your fun loving state.
You'll never find me there.

[kb1]

id better get rid of the 3 jerry cans of mower fuel i have in the garden shed also i guess that will be the next thing banned or illegal.
you can honestly see why joe citzen wouldnt even bother to obtain a firearms licence in west oz or be put off the idea from the start , theres just so many pathetic rulings.
if spent 22 cases are considered ammo well the SSAA is in for a fight . every rimfire range ive been to has wheel barrows full of spent cases laying around so whats the go with that.
if my firearms licence can and will be cancelled or revoked due to fired cases not locked away then this is a serious issue

[1Fatman]

My pistol club has already been given the heads up to clean up and get rid of all of the empty 22 shells that are lying around.
This came direct from W.A.P.A after meeting with the police. The issue is that the police are worried that Joe public can get in and collect the shells, reload them (yes it can be done) and use them in illegal firearms.

[Daddybang]

so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????

Yep.

Could be an apocryphal "WA-is-crazy" story we in the eastern States hear, but is it the case that if you're shooting in WA with a mate who is using a different calibre to the one you're licensed, picking up one of their brass would mean committing an offence?

I mean, I wouldn't surprise.me lol

Yep if you have brass in your possession and don't have a license fora rifle in that cal/chambering then you CAN be charged(not saying you will be but you can be) unless ya have a collectors license.

[bladeracer]

so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????

Yes, if WA allows you to store ammo in the bolt compartment within your safe. It is not an ammo compartment. Some states allow us to keep ammo in there despite the law saying otherwise - Vic for example. I don't recommend doing so though as they could change their mind at any time.

[bladeracer]

It is my understanding that even a spent 22 rimfire case (never mind that it can't be re-loaded) is considered to be "ammunition".
On ya, WA. Your servants and their minions write this stuff and enact into the statutes of your fun loving state.
You'll never find me there.

Empty brass needs to be drilled or made unusable in some way to be legally possessed by a person that does not have a licence for that specific cartridge.
Same with bullets, but I'm unsure about whether they count spent bullets as components still.

[Gaznazdiak]

so let me get this correct , my spent brass cases are cosidered as ammo and need to be locked away in the ammo compartment of my safe ????

Yes, if WA allows you to store ammo in the bolt compartment within your safe. It is not an ammo compartment. Some states allow us to keep ammo in there despite the law saying otherwise - Vic for example. I don't recommend doing so though as they could change their mind at any time.

Yes, that's the regulation in NSW, as below from the police website:

"What are the storage requirements in relation to ammunition? Firearms Registry
Ammunition must be stored in a locked container, separate from the firearms -
sections 40 (1)(d) & 41(1)(c) of the Act. The ammunition storage may be
separate altogether, or may be a separate locked compartment or receptacle
within the firearms safe storage receptacle or safe."

[TigerPigeon]

Yes, it is all deemed ammo.

Powder, primers, bass and projectiles need to be stored as per the safe storage requirements. Which actually contradicts the Dangerous goods act when it comes to powder.

But them's the rules...

I know i'm a bit late to this one, i'm just looking over some old legislation as i'm doing a renovation at my home.

To quote Regulation 11A. (3A) of the Firearms Regulations Act; Subregulation (2) does not apply to propellant unless it is incorporated in a cartridge. This is designed so as not to contradict the Dangerous Goods Act.

By exclusion, this would apply to all other components for ammunition. However, this very specific mention of propellant exclusion allows storage of powder in accordance with the dangerous goods act. Much more practical for large containers.

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[NorthWester]

I may be wrong, but looking at the 2022 amendment posted on another thread here, it appears that the cases are no longer treated as ammunition. Hopefully some commonsense added...

Section 4 amended
(1) In section 4 delete the definitions of:
ammunition
firearm
handgun
possession
(2) In section 4 insert in alphabetical order:
ammunition —
(a) means anything made or modified specifically
for discharge from a firearm; and
(b) includes the following —
(i) a cartridge, projectile, primer or
propellant made or modified specifically
for use in manufacturing something
described in paragraph (a);
Firearms Amendment Act 2022
Part 2 Firearms Act 1973 amended
s. 6

(ii) any other prescribed thing;
but
(c) does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition rendered inoperative;
(ii) an inert cartridge, dummy round or drill
round that does not contain primer,
propellant or explosive charge;
(iii) a prescribed paintball pellet;
(iv) a spent primer;
(v) a spent casing, whether or not it can be
reused;
(vi) any other prescribed thing;

[Oldbloke]

Well on the other thread they are saying it's no longer legal to reload ammunition.

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=16164&start=120

[bladeracer]

I don't believe brass ever was as it is not discharged from a firearm.

I may be wrong, but looking at the 2022 amendment posted on another thread here, it appears that the cases are no longer treated as ammunition. Hopefully some commonsense added...

Section 4 amended
(1) In section 4 delete the definitions of:
ammunition
firearm
handgun
possession
(2) In section 4 insert in alphabetical order:
ammunition —
(a) means anything made or modified specifically
for discharge from a firearm; and
(b) includes the following —
(i) a cartridge, projectile, primer or
propellant made or modified specifically
for use in manufacturing something
described in paragraph (a);
Firearms Amendment Act 2022
Part 2 Firearms Act 1973 amended
s. 6

(ii) any other prescribed thing;
but
(c) does not include any of the following —
(i) ammunition rendered inoperative;
(ii) an inert cartridge, dummy round or drill
round that does not contain primer,
propellant or explosive charge;
(iii) a prescribed paintball pellet;
(iv) a spent primer;
(v) a spent casing, whether or not it can be
reused;
(vi) any other prescribed thing;