Military appearance

[Point223]

Hi all,

Again this may have been discussed previously. But I'm interested in NSW shooters knowledge about whether we can modify a legally obtained centerfire pump to look like a military AR15. (Just look like) not operate like.

Say a 7600 .308 Remington modified to look like an AR-15. Is that legal?

[Baldrick314]

It's sort of a grey area. You aren't allowed to have a firearm that looks like a military firearm however it's not illegal to buy all the parts that would make a rifle look like an AR. There's plenty of guys that trick out their 7600's to look this way.

My opinion is that it would be up to the discretion of an officer who potentially saw the rifle as to whether they consider it illegal or not. There's no check list or guideline where they can quantify exactly what makes a rifle military looking, that's what makes this law such a pain in the ass.

Hope this helps you a little

[Baronvonrort]

This whole military appearance thing is BS.

Does it apply to Accuracy International who make military sniper rifles in bolt action, perhaps the flat dark earth and green ones are ok and the black ones are not.

AI make military sniper rifles why are they exempt?

[Baldrick314]

This whole military appearance thing is BS.

Does it apply to Accuracy International who make military sniper rifles in bolt action, perhaps the flat dark earth and green ones are ok and the black ones are not.

AI make military sniper rifles why are they exempt?

It's just so the powers that be can say no to the guns that look scary to them

[brett1868]

Is there actually any legislation in NSW concerning the appearance of firearms not to look "Military"? My Barrett M98B is used by the military, as is my DTA SRS and my Steyr HS50 M1 so they must look military but are available almost over the counter...

[North East]

Personally I can't see the point in the so called tacticool tarted up rifles….jesus, some blokes do it to a .22 rimfire, ridiculous.

If you want to play soldier or look like one join the ADF.

Otherwise get an Accuracy International, Barrett or others in whatever caliber you want….we can in Victoria, up to .50 cal.

[Baldrick314]

Is there actually any legislation in NSW concerning the appearance of firearms not to look "Military"? My Barrett M98B is used by the military, as is my DTA SRS and my Steyr HS50 M1 so they must look military but are available almost over the counter...

Yeah the legislation is along the lines of "you may not own a firearm that replicates, in appearance or function, a current military firearm"

Enforcement of this rule is inconsistent though. Mostly it's used to stop importation of certain firearms

[Baronvonrort]

Is there actually any legislation in NSW concerning the appearance of firearms not to look "Military"? My Barrett M98B is used by the military, as is my DTA SRS and my Steyr HS50 M1 so they must look military but are available almost over the counter...

I am not 100% sure on anything about appearance, that said i do know folding-telescoping-retractable stocks are not allowed.

I did make an enquiry about the Barrett MRAD, i like how it can go from a 308w to 300wm in less than 10 minutes by changing barrel and bolt, that model is not allowed due to folding stock.

[Bennybigbores]

Really who gives a Sh!t what it looks like tactical, conventional, bright pink or a nice shade of poo brown, each to their own I say, if it falls into the category of firearm you are licensed to hold and you are using it legally, what does appearance matter???? And if someone is robbing a bank with a black tactical looking pump action or my grandfathers hammer gun does the colour or look dictate any differing course of action or effect. It truly is bull Sh!t if this is true, so what my sog tech Bowie knife with rubberised black handle if more dangerous or intimidating than one with a timber handle, a gun is a gun a rifle is a rifle whether it looks like something off startrek or a half peeled banana,

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so I presume this would be classified as looking to military as well, it's not like military rifles are designed to look scary or offensive they are purpose build practical tools, too much tv for the clown making this pitiful judgement call.

[agentzero]

Say a 7600 .308 Remington modified to look like an AR-15. Is that legal?

This is the problem with the 'military appearance' legisation, it's very unclear.

There are no set features, colours, dimensions, accessories etc. which are specifically listed as having a 'military appearance'.

It's just what they decide they should ban.

In WA at the moment guys are losing their Colt 2012's because they're the wrong looking rifle, even though they've been legal up to this point. Someone has just decided to take offence to them now.

[Point223]

Big brother.. is watching! and phookin up all our sh1t!!!! unbelievable.... f*** the greens! i'm pissed off

[Point223]

I'm modify my 7600... when it's inspection time i'll strip it clean.. and then re-modify it again!

[Bennybigbores]

This legislation is a complete joke, the look of anything has nothing to do with how dangerous or destructive it is, I struggle to comprehend how this passed, I can understand banning a full auto m16, but banning a Remington 700 bolt action because it looks like a m16 ?????? If the police see a hunter/target shooter with a gun that looks like a (SCARY TACTICAL BLACK AUTOMATIC DEATH MACHINE) he can simply approach and have closer look to confirm its not.
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[batter]

This legislation is a complete joke, the look of anything has nothing to do with how dangerous or destructive it is

+1

Picture I posted earlier from the US...



Makes no sense to me.

[Supporter]

I struggle to comprehend how this passed

Just another way to restrict us further.

Votes based on fear and ignorance instead of knowledge.

[Wes]

The pistol grip thing is retarded.

Banned (as far as I know) because you can "shoot from the hip" with it.

Ban the less accurate way of shooting? That'll solve stuff?

[Point223]

So I gather if I have a 7600 modified with a pistol grip and I get a visit from the cops I should kiss my gun goodbye?

[brett1868]

So I gather if I have a 7600 modified with a pistol grip and I get a visit from the cops I should kiss my gun goodbye?

Pistol grip rifles are not banned in NSW providing the butt stock isn't removable, collapsible or foldable. I was looking to get one of these http://cheytac.com/firearms/375-cheytac-2/ which would be perfectly legal if not for the folding butt stock. As for converting an existing rifle to a pistol grip I think you should be fine, just don't have a butt stock that's removable, foldable etc etc...If you want to be sure then call your local firearms registry or gun shop and ask them to confirm the legalities of any modification you're thinking to make.

[batter]

So I gather if I have a 7600 modified with a pistol grip and I get a visit from the cops I should kiss my gun goodbye?

That picture of the Mossbergs is from the USA, not here.

I just posted it as an example of the stupidity of classing thing by appearance.

[Baronvonrort]

So I gather if I have a 7600 modified with a pistol grip and I get a visit from the cops I should kiss my gun goodbye?

Pistol grip rifles are not banned in NSW providing the butt stock isn't removable, collapsible or foldable. I was looking to get one of these http://cheytac.com/firearms/375-cheytac-2/ which would be perfectly legal if not for the folding butt stock. As for converting an existing rifle to a pistol grip I think you should be fine, just don't have a butt stock that's removable, foldable etc etc...If you want to be sure then call your local firearms registry or gun shop and ask them to confirm the legalities of any modification you're thinking to make.

Modern military rifles all have pistol grips which have superior ergonomics to the old fashioned stuff, what was the old saying once you go black you will never go back.

The AR15 type stocks are allowed provided they are fixed or pinned so they cannot fold/be telescopic.

[Combat_Wombat]

So I gather if I have a 7600 modified with a pistol grip and I get a visit from the cops I should kiss my gun goodbye?

Pistol grip rifles are not banned in NSW providing the butt stock isn't removable, collapsible or foldable. I was looking to get one of these http://cheytac.com/firearms/375-cheytac-2/ which would be perfectly legal if not for the folding butt stock. As for converting an existing rifle to a pistol grip I think you should be fine, just don't have a butt stock that's removable, foldable etc etc...If you want to be sure then call your local firearms registry or gun shop and ask them to confirm the legalities of any modification you're thinking to make.

Yep folding butt stock on a cheytac is a problem because we will be hip firing that bad boy

[Point223]

We need a million shooters to go downtown to the city protesting these sh1t laws then they will hear us.. do we have a million shooters in Australia wide that are willing to campaign for a better future for shooters?

[bluerob]

Simple solution to all of these arguments - join your local Shooters & Fishers Party and support them. This is the only avenue we currently have that stops the ridiculous and ill (un) informed commentary that Gun Control Australia et all make.

As gun owners, we know the truth. The important thing that doesn't seem to happen is that owning a firearm and using it for hunting or target use is an acceptable sport, just like golf clubs - they've been used to hurt others, but, you don't see golf clubs requiring a PTA or to be registered. Same as kitchen knives, baseball bats etc etc. The "general public" need to have positive reinforcement about the fact that as responsible firearms owners, we aren't lunatics, but, actually law abiding citizens who securely manage their firearms.

They are getting heavy on the semi auto handguns issues and it won't stop there. As I've previously stated, we will end up lucky to have single shot .22's rifles. Get caught with a sling shot in NSW and it's 10 years gaol. Great.....

[feedr]

We need a million shooters to go downtown to the city protesting these sh1t laws then they will hear us.

They'd probably say it was a revolution and roll out the heavy stuff on us

[Point223]

A million would make a whole city grind to a halt. No need for violence. Just peaceful demonstrations. I'm not trying to create an Australian Spring

[lole]

I've got the solution to make them not look scary.

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[Point223]

LOL!

[Combat_Wombat]

Sadly I would endure having a semi in hot pink just to be allowed one haha

[Phaine]

Endure?! Lets do it!

[pajamatime]

Sadly I would endure having a semi in hot pink just to be allowed one haha

pretend your metro sexual or some straight excuse like that lol