Firearms and safe inspection a breeze

[Lorgar]

I know some people freak out over these things judging by the questions that pop up here

It took them a few years but had my first inspection here in VIC.

The guy booked a time, was on time.

He looked at the safe and asked "is it more than 150kg?", I said yep. Obviously it is but I'm sure he's gotta ask. He gave it a push and said no problems.

Laid out my 3 rifles. He ticked off the serials. Signed a bit of paperwork and he was gone.

5 minutes and out. Nothing to worry about for those who are

[yoshie]

I've had a few in Brisbane and Canberra and never had a problem, as long as you've got every thing squared away its quite an easy process. I've got a pretty good safe that exceeds QLD storage requirements (ACT requirements are probably the toughest in the country with the exception of WA) the inspecting officers like to see you've made an effort and not just scraped by with the bare minimum.

[cavok]

I had an inspection a few years ago, had my own firearms and pistols and as training officer I also had a couple of club pistols. Police came, checked my pistol numbers. We then spent the next little while (some time) the merits of some of my toys, etc. Police left, all good.

[bigfellascott]

Yeah the female copper that did mine was nice too, I often see her around town and say G'day. She really liked my rifle with the Boyds Stocks, she reckoned they look real nice.

She did ask what was my reason for owning firearms and I told her to hunt with, she said I'm glad you said that I asked why and her reply was if you had of said for self defence I'd have to take em and you'd be surprised how many actually do say that! So be careful what you say in the event that or any other questions are asked, it just may cost ya your firearms and license if you don't.

[tom604]

i dont think that the female copper was that nice,you give her a throwaway line like self defence/zombie/ invasion/issis and she takes your guns but i will remember not to be flippant

[bigfellascott]

i dont think that the female copper was that nice,you give her a throwaway line like self defence/zombie/ invasion/issis and she takes your guns but i will remember not to be flippant

Yep you have to watch em, they will nail you if you let em.

[Mattj82]

I've had three inspections in Victoria, each one after shortly after I've moved house. They made an appointment, and on two occasions showed up bang on time. The other time he called to say he'd been called to a major incident. Professional, friendly and more interested in chatting about cars and flying than anything else!

[Combat_Wombat]

Yeah I know dad has had two in ten years and both times they were in and out of the gate in five minutes.

And as for all the stink people kick up about them asking where the keys are just move them after if you're that concerned.

[bigfellascott]

Yeah I know dad has had two in ten years and both times they were in and out of the gate in five minutes.

And as for all the stink people kick up about them asking where the keys are just move them after if you're that concerned.

Just tell em the keys are in a safe spot. I wouldn't be telling em anything else, not that I've ever been asked either way.

[North East]

The one and only time I had one was easy. It was from a local copper who I also happen to know and have been hunting with before. Just showed him they were unloaded, as I don't bother storing the bolt separately, not required in Vic….checked the serial no's locked them up again and went out on the deck for a coffee and a chat.

[Lorgar]

We then spent the next little while (some time) the merits of some of my toys, etc. Police left, all good.

The bloke that came for mine didn't seem to be into them at all.

Couldn't pick one brand from the other, I had to point out which was the Tikka, Ruger or Anschutz.

No interest or small talk, but perfectly pleasant.

[whert]

I know some people freak out over these things judging by the questions that pop up here

I'm still waiting for mine

[cavok]

The bloke that came for mine didn't seem to be into them at all.

Couldn't pick one brand from the other, I had to point out which was the Tikka, Ruger or Anschutz.

No interest or small talk, but perfectly pleasant.

You are so correct, I have worked with the police at times, know quite a few, and I wonder sometimes why they don't know more about firearms, but then recall one saying years ago, they have so much on their plate to learn and know, remember, they put firearms at the bottom of their list, at least the general police population, to them it's a job, as it should be.

[Westy]

This is very obvious on range days I have seen a quite a few not pass their practical side of their proficiency test and that's when they start bitching and moaning that they are being picked on because their a woman!!!!! Man this sounds familiar and most coppers are the biggest cowboys holding a firearm in town!!!!!!

I can remember at one siege at a South Brisbane hotel were everyone's got the guns out and their standing in a semi circle around the door. Yep it was time to leave before sweetie shot one of her colleges, A sergeant steps up and sends Rin Tin tin in and the problem was over in 30 seconds and now they've given them Tasers!!!!! SWN

[Ken]

This is very obvious on range days I have seen a quite a few not pass their practical side of their proficiency test

This is cops and their sidearm test you're talking about?

[nords]

I wonder sometimes why they don't know more about firearms

Did you catch that radio interview about a bolt action where the officer says "I think it is some sort of automatic, I don't think it's a machine gun but it's certainly a high powered weapon and I'm not an expert on guns."

That was a gem.

[cavok]

Yes I did hear that interview, from memory he was high ranking. His remarks were disappointing, and I wondered if he actually meant to say what he said.

I mean the rifle had a bolt in it and blind harry a or a boy scout or girl guide could have told him it was not an automatic.

To get to his rank he must have handled many rifles, and been around rifles. Hence I think he was just making a comment. My reference to police not knowing more about firearms was directed at junior police, who have yet to learn.

[Warrigul]

This is cops and their sidearm test you're talking about?

I have seen a few woeful police shoots, not confidence inspiring at all.

[1886]

We had a major incident on Sunday with a hostage situation and the police had no recourse but to shoot.

11 shots and the guy was dead but unfortunately two of those also hit the hostage, 1 in the shoulder area another in the leg. She is in hospital in a serious but stable condition.

[cavok]

We had a major incident on Sunday with a hostage situation and the police had no recourse but to shoot.

11 shots and the guy was dead but unfortunately two of those also hit the hostage, I in the shoulder area another in the leg. She is in hospital in a serious but stable condition.

Sorry I don't see the point your making, have you ever been in a situation that was fluid, split second decisions made, life and death?

[1886]

Not sure what you are actually trying to insuate but no I've never had a pressure situation regarding HUMANS as you describe.

I was following up on the various posts above
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Because the police can unfortunately be put in these pressure situations it is imperative that they be given proper and REGULAR training in the use of their handgun, which in our State I know is not done. Some haven't had to attend a range for ongoing training for years, yet they maybe put in a situation tomorrow where they may have to use their firearm in their own life or death situation. If they can't hit what their aiming for then the outcome is not going to be good.

As far as the incident reported I have no doubt the Police involved were in a real quandry and ultimately they did have to make a split second decision at a moments notice, ie I understand the dude may have made a jester he was going to stab the hostage or he may have already done so, so obviously the Police had to react and they did.

My point was there were two shots where the trigger shouldn't have been pulled if you were actually looking threw your sights and aiming, or does it become a case of let it rip and hope !!!! If you end up with a dead offender and a dead hostage I don't think that's a good result.

Some officers can be put in tricky situations yet they are not being given enough opportunity to keep sharp so to speak and then like the posts above there also seems to be some that no matter what, they couldn't hit a cow up the arse with a handful of wheat, yet are given a firearm. That is also a worry.

[Warrigul]

Some officers can be put in tricky situations yet they are not being given enough opportunity to keep sharp so to speak and then like the posts above there also seems to be some that no matter what, they couldn't hit a cow up the arse with a handful of wheat, yet are given a firearm. That is also a worry.

I am with you on this, we need to recognise they are often in a situation requiring them to make decisions that they will live with for the rest of their lives. Many people would be unable to make any decision at all given the possible outcomes, but make it they must and we need to back them up as hindsight is always 20/20.

None of us know the full details of this incident but the result seems to be the lesser of two evils and who really wants to be put in the situation of having to choose?


But as has been said before if you are going to arm someone then make sure they are competetant because one day they may need to use that firearm.

[1886]

But as has been said before if you are going to arm someone then make sure they are competetant because one day they may need to use that firearm.

Exactly.

I get so frustrated with the SYSTEM when Police aren't allowed to do their job because of so many petty policies or rules and in the situation mentioned its no wonder they can come unstuck trying to decide whether to even unhoster their firearm.

I'm willing to bet as part of the already "internal Police investigation" underway by DESK boffins that it could go to the extent where they match the two errant bullets to an officer/s firearm and they will then be put threw the grinder. The boffins won't put in a report that " WE stuffed up by not giving our guys enough suitable training.

The WA Police have a policy that officers cannot even unhoster their firearm without having to attend a later enquiry explaining why they did so. WTF, what do they have firearms for then.

A few years ago a long serving well known excellent country officer in our isolated north got caught in a situation and chased an offender who had then stolen a car. He chased him for a good distance and the dude eventually crashed or stopped and started to run into the bush. The officer fired a shot over his head and told him to STOP. He arrested the offender.

The upshot was this fine officer was then suspended and went through hell for months and months because he had fired a shot. Give me a break all he did was do his job and probably wounded a lonely gumtree as that's where he aimed.

I wrote a letter to our papers "letter to the editor" at that time about this farce but probably because of my strong words against the "establishment" and its dumbass policies it was not published. The officer was treated worse than the offender.

[cavok]

Exactly.

I get so frustrated with the SYSTEM when Police aren't allowed to do their job because of so many petty policies or rules and in the situation mentioned its no wonder they can come unstuck trying to decide whether to even unhoster their firearm.

I'm willing to bet as part of the already "internal Police investigation" underway by DESK boffins that it could go to the extent where they match the two errant bullets to an officer/s firearm and they will then be put threw the grinder. The boffins won't put in a report that " WE stuffed up by not giving our guys enough suitable training.

The WA Police have a policy that officers cannot even unhoster their firearm without having to attend a later enquiry explaining why they did so. WTF, what do they have firearms for then.

A few years ago a long serving well known excellent country officer in our isolated north got caught in a situation and chased an offender who had then stolen a car. He chased him for a good distance and the dude eventually crashed or stopped and started to run into the bush. The officer fired a shot over his head and told him to STOP. He arrested the offender.

The upshot was this fine officer was then suspended and went through hell for months and months because he had fired a shot. Give me a break all he did was do his job and probably wounded a lonely gumtree as that's where he aimed.

I wrote a letter to our papers "letter to the editor" at that time about this farce but probably because of my strong words against the "establishment" and its dumbass policies it was not published. The officer was treated worse than the offender.

Reference your above paragraph: "I wrote a letter etc".

The training given to police and "others" warning shots are not permitted. Hence that was the reason he was suspended and faced the discipline, he knew that before he fired his shot, he discharged his firearm, he knew the rules, he broke the rules, that why there are rules.

[1886]

And therein lies the problem.

And its silly to not accept that any competent officer would not take possible consequences into account in a crowded public place etc but in this case we are talking about unihabited bush.

I don't recall what the offender did but he may have seriously injured an innocent person in his actions but are you saying he should have been allowed to escape rather than this officer ultimately firing a shot in isolated bush and subsequently arresting him. He did his job

Maybe they should not be given firearms but have a megaphone in a holster and they can then shout out " Excuse me, would you mind stopping so I can arrest you".

[cavok]

And therein lies the problem.

And its silly to not accept that any competent officer would not take possible consequences into account in a crowded public place etc but in this case we are talking about unihabited bush.

I don't recall what the offender did but he may have seriously injured an innocent person in his actions but are you saying he should have been allowed to escape rather than this officer ultimately firing a shot in isolated bush and subsequently arresting him. He did his job

Maybe they should not be given firearms but have a megaphone in a holster and they can then shout out " Excuse me, would you mind stopping so I can arrest you".

TOTALLY agree with everything here you wrote, and yes, that is the problem. Some bureaucrats however do not agree with what we say, they blindly follow the written word, city or country alike, population of many or 2 rabbits and a koala in a tree. Also possibly the firing of his firearm was not sufficiently serious to warrant using a firearm. Country area, the idiot had nowhere to run to, possibly the bureaucrats thought he should have called in assistance, who knows, which would have been hours away.

[1886]

Well things got messy as expected.

Huge headlines in todays paper advising that the 4 police involved in the shooting of this dude were ARRESTED soon after and had been detained for 13 hours.

Seems the dude was actually stabbing the hostage in the back so they had no option but to fire. Yet then some boffin officer has them arrested.

WTF. No wonder all the crims are laughing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-14/w ... ng/5891440

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-13/p ... ys/5890018