Air rifle on private property - Complaints by neighbours

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Post by on_one_wheel » 14 Dec 2014, 10:43 am

12 gauges with 7 1/2 club loads are far safer to use on small properties ;)
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Post by mausermate » 14 Dec 2014, 12:41 pm

Westy wrote:The law in Queensland is you must have 40 acres plus one square foot!!!Now ( Mausers ) going to jump on this straight away but, IMHO when did a air rifle really become a weapon????? If you where shooting a compound bow your neighbour and the Cops wouldn't have a leg to stand on!!!! But as Brisb said get it in writing from weapons lic and your problems are over!!!!


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Post by brisb » 14 Dec 2014, 12:43 pm

KaptainM wrote:Hi Cashman,

Been looking at this forum for quite some time but I signed up to post this link for you regarding the 40 acres you hear about.

https://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/ ... tional.htm

Recreational shooting on rural lands (Categories A & B only)

For Recreational shooting on rural lands, the size of the property you wish to shoot on needs to be of sufficient size to ensure safe use for the category/ies of weapons (generally greater than 40 acres). It is an offence to shoot on or across neighbouring private land without the owner’s permission.


That's exactly the problem info though Cashman.

"...sufficient size to ensure safe use for the category/ies of weapons (generally greater than 40 acres)..."

Legally we need to be able to do something or be prohibited from doing it, either way it needs to be clear. If there is no legislation specifically prohibiting something then it is legal. "Generally" does nothing to clarify what's allowed :|

A bit of scribble on the QLD Police website is not law. What they've written there does nothing but confuse the issue.

(Not having a go at you KaptainM, just venting over the crap they expect us to deal with)
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Post by Supporter » 14 Dec 2014, 12:47 pm

Bourt wrote:
Cashman79 wrote:Some say I am fine others say I will have a case to answer to.


You'd be arrested on the spot for firearms offences if you were doing anything wrong.

They wouldn't tell you about it then leave, not to return


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Post by pajamatime » 15 Dec 2014, 12:51 pm

lol irrational unreasonable is what they are.
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Post by RoginaJack » 15 Dec 2014, 4:26 pm

I was under the impression that the "greater than 40 acres" was to rule out "Pit Street farmers" from applying for a Weapons Licence as a Rural Landowner classification.
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Post by Cashman79 » 18 Jan 2015, 10:07 pm

Hey guys thanks for all the input and help.

It is just so confusing and hard to deal with when you have some police saying that's a general "law" for any cat A or B firearms I mean it is even hard when I just put my 11 yr old son through his safety course a week ago and asked the trainer for clarification and he said needed a minimum of 40 acres so I said show me where in the weapons act it states it exactly and he said " oh I think it's in there somewhere".

Anyway thanks again everyone not trying to stir it up again just trying to get stuff clarified it is funny though you go to a police station and bring up the subject and you see them arguing over it like a seagull with a chip haha.

PS. I did ring weapons licensing again and told I have no problem just have to be nice and comply with the officers and all should be good. But I am getting a letter sent out from licensing that I can hand to the police so here's hoping.

Thanks for letting me have a rant and hopefully we can sort it out for some others as well.
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Post by Bourt » 19 Jan 2015, 9:44 am

Cashman79 wrote:It is just so confusing and hard to deal with when you have some police saying that's a general "law" for any cat A or B firearms I mean it is even hard when I just put my 11 yr old son through his safety course a week ago and asked the trainer for clarification and he said needed a minimum of 40 acres so I said show me where in the weapons act it states it exactly and he said " oh I think it's in there somewhere".


AKA I don't know what I'm talking about and am just repeating something I heard

Asking where it's written in the Weapons Act is spot on. That's all that counts. (or other relevant legislation, Criminal Code act etc. if relevant)

There's no such thing as a "general" law. It's law or not. Open the Weapons Act, do a search for 40 acres... Nothing. It's not "in there somewhere".

A bit of semi-related info, on the QLD license application for "Annexure for rural purpose / primary producer / recreational shooting / recreational fishing" is says

Select the categories of weapons you wish to apply for...

...on the rural property for the following reason:

[_] The property owner/manager/lessee - Note: If the property is UNDER 40 ACRES, a police inspection MAY be conducted. Further information may be required.


Again, "may" aint the law. He's probably seen that form pass his desk and one point and run with it.
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Post by Mitch@Ripley » 03 Jan 2018, 9:37 am

I always thought it HAD to be 40 acres for any registered "weapon"...not that it stopped me on 1.5 with the air rifle. What do you reckon the go would be with a .22 lr?
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Post by AusTac » 03 Jan 2018, 9:51 am

Serious? I was shooting air rifles like 10 metres away from Brett a few weeks ago and he didn't complain about the noise :lol: let alone some rando guy next door, screw em get the .22 out! Not going to weigh in on the land size thing, haven't read the whole thing, i also fear i may have just done some thread revival but it was here when i refreshed the active stuff
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Post by RoginaJack » 03 Jan 2018, 3:38 pm

Just remember you are "sighting in" the Air Rifle and not 'target shooting'. Target shooting is all together different and must be at/on a approved range etc.

Draw up a mud map showing shooting position, target, butt stop and safety area behind etc.

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Post by Daddybang » 03 Jan 2018, 4:35 pm

Mitch@Ripley wrote:I always thought it HAD to be 40 acres for any registered "weapon"...not that it stopped me on 1.5 with the air rifle. What do you reckon the go would be with a .22 lr?


In qld there is no legislation to cover the land req there is however a Generally accepted min of forty acres for the use of a firesrm ij a rural area. If ya use a firearm on less than forty they will probably ping ya under the minimum distance from dwelling or road part of the weapons act. If ya get an a@@hole cop they will find a way. :lol: :drinks:
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Post by trekin » 04 Jan 2018, 5:43 am

Daddybang wrote:
Mitch@Ripley wrote:I always thought it HAD to be 40 acres for any registered "weapon"...not that it stopped me on 1.5 with the air rifle. What do you reckon the go would be with a .22 lr?


In qld there is no legislation to cover the land req there is however a Generally accepted min of forty acres for the use of a firesrm ij a rural area. If ya use a firearm on less than forty they will probably ping ya under the minimum distance from dwelling or road part of the weapons act. If ya get an a@@hole cop they will find a way. :lol: :drinks:

There is no "minimum distance from dwelling or road" in the QLD weapons legislation, only that you can't "without reasonable excuse, discharge a
weapon in, into, towards, over or through a public place." (Section 57 (4)) and you must not "engage in conduct, alone or with another, likely to cause—
unlawful destruction or damage to property" (Section 58 (2) (d)).
The 40 acre thing is WLB policy and procedure when applying for a RE licence, that is, it is the point that determines how much work someone at WLB will have to do when approving a licence application.
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Post by Daddybang » 04 Jan 2018, 6:41 am

trekin wrote:
Daddybang wrote:
Mitch@Ripley wrote:I always thought it HAD to be 40 acres for any registered "weapon"...not that it stopped me on 1.5 with the air rifle. What do you reckon the go would be with a .22 lr?


In qld there is no legislation to cover the land req there is however a Generally accepted min of forty acres for the use of a firesrm ij a rural area. If ya use a firearm on less than forty they will probably ping ya under the minimum distance from dwelling or road part of the weapons act. If ya get an a@@hole cop they will find a way. :lol: :drinks:

There is no "minimum distance from dwelling or road" in the QLD weapons legislation, only that you can't "without reasonable excuse, discharge a
weapon in, into, towards, over or through a public place." (Section 57 (4)) and you must not "engage in conduct, alone or with another, likely to cause—
unlawful destruction or damage to property" (Section 58 (2) (d)).
The 40 acre thing is WLB policy and procedure when applying for a RE licence, that is, it is the point that determines how much work someone at WLB will have to do when approving a licence application.


Thanks for clarification trekkin. It's been a while since I looked at the whole act. I thought I had read something about not discharging a firearm within two hundred meters of a road but I was obviously wrong! :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by trekin » 04 Jan 2018, 7:12 am

Daddybang wrote:
trekin wrote:
Daddybang wrote:
Mitch@Ripley wrote:I always thought it HAD to be 40 acres for any registered "weapon"...not that it stopped me on 1.5 with the air rifle. What do you reckon the go would be with a .22 lr?


In qld there is no legislation to cover the land req there is however a Generally accepted min of forty acres for the use of a firesrm ij a rural area. If ya use a firearm on less than forty they will probably ping ya under the minimum distance from dwelling or road part of the weapons act. If ya get an a@@hole cop they will find a way. :lol: :drinks:

There is no "minimum distance from dwelling or road" in the QLD weapons legislation, only that you can't "without reasonable excuse, discharge a
weapon in, into, towards, over or through a public place." (Section 57 (4)) and you must not "engage in conduct, alone or with another, likely to cause—
unlawful destruction or damage to property" (Section 58 (2) (d)).
The 40 acre thing is WLB policy and procedure when applying for a RE licence, that is, it is the point that determines how much work someone at WLB will have to do when approving a licence application.


Thanks for clarification trekkin. It's been a while since I looked at the whole act. I thought I had read something about not discharging a firearm within two hundred meters of a road but I was obviously wrong! :thumbsup: :drinks:

No worries mate, :thumbsup: you'll probably find you read it in relation to the NSW Act, or another States laws. Some people seem to think that the laws of their own State transends borders and should be the law in others States, you know the ones, the person who posts about the laws in their State when someone from another State asks questions about laws relevent to their own State.
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Post by Stix » 04 Jan 2018, 8:43 am

A bit off track here...
But is it really called the "wespons act" in QLD...?

I find the use of that word (weapon) makes things all that much harder for us shooters...

It conjures up visions of violence & death & that is the subconcious effect all the anti's want for brainwashing the dumbo's against us...

We use firearms to shoot, not weapons.

In my book they are different...in the way that if you hold up a bank with a gun, or threaten someone with one, its a weapon...
But sports shooting is using a firearm.

If you are gardening & chop a branch off a tree you walk around your yard with a stick...its just a stick--until you go next door & beat your neighbour with it--then its a weapon...
Get my drift...?--the word used describes the action & intent... (well i know what i mean).

Call me old fashioned...but i make a point of saying "firearms" in ANY conversation now, particularly with the coppers...!!!
I believe it makes all the difference, & the uneducated feel more comfortable talking about it too...!

Just my observation guys...

I really hope you get it sorted mate...!!
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Post by pomemax » 04 Jan 2018, 9:45 am

Guy at work lives on 1 acre shooting his Air rifle in back yard next door complained to Police they came and spoke to him he said I was just shooting some rats that come out from near her (next door ) chicken shed then burning them
Policeman was nice asked him to stop shooting and he would refer the shed and rats to the health department of the council witch he did shed was removed after some council inspections and about 3 months
Who knew chicken shed need a cement floor, he was saying he needs another reason to shoot air rifle now .
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Post by winton » 04 Jan 2018, 10:45 am

pomemax wrote:Guy at work lives on 1 acre shooting his Air rifle in back yard next door complained to Police they came and spoke to him he said I was just shooting some rats that come out from near her (next door ) chicken shed then burning them
Policeman was nice asked him to stop shooting and he would refer the shed and rats to the health department of the council witch he did shed was removed after some council inspections and about 3 months


So the guys that complained about the air rifle had to remove his shed?


pomemax wrote: Who knew chicken shed need a cement floor, he was saying he needs another reason to shoot air rifle now .
Not all police are stacked against shooters


Not all police but most are stacked against shooters. Its just how the legislation is worded. It gives them alot of room for interpretation but very little room to choose to do nothing since its just a hot political potato.
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Post by Daddybang » 04 Jan 2018, 12:38 pm

Stix wrote:A bit off track here...
But is it really called the "wespons act" in QLD...?

I find the use of that word (weapon) makes things all that much harder for us shooters...

It conjures up visions of violence & death & that is the subconcious effect all the anti's want for brainwashing the dumbo's against us...

We use firearms to shoot, not weapons.

In my book they are different...in the way that if you hold up a bank with a gun, or threaten someone with one, its a weapon...
But sports shooting is using a firearm.

If you are gardening & chop a branch off a tree you walk around your yard with a stick...its just a stick--until you go next door & beat your neighbour with it--then its a weapon...
Get my drift...?--the word used describes the action & intent... (well i know what i mean).

Call me old fashioned...but i make a point of saying "firearms" in ANY conversation now, particularly with the coppers...!!!
I believe it makes all the difference, & the uneducated feel more comfortable talking about it too...!

Just my observation guys...

I really hope you get it sorted mate...!!


Yeah they really do!! It's something that we want to change but no luck yet :evil:
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pomemax wrote:Guy at work lives on 1 acre shooting his Air rifle in back yard next door complained to Police they came and spoke to him he said I was just shooting some rats that come out from near her (next door ) chicken shed then burning them
Policeman was nice asked him to stop shooting and he would refer the shed and rats to the health department of the council witch he did shed was removed after some council inspections and about 3 months


So the guys that complained about the air rifle had to remove his shed?


pomemax wrote: Who knew chicken shed need a cement floor, he was saying he needs another reason to shoot air rifle now .
Not all police are stacked against shooters


Not all police but most are stacked against shooters. Its just how the legislation is worded. It gives them alot of room for interpretation but very little room to choose to do nothing since its just a hot political potato.


Ya right winton they aren't all against us thats why I say a@@hole coppers. I live in an area where most of the cops are shooter's and apply a bit of common sense to the enforcement of legislation but every now and then we get out of town cops come in and try to be all gung-ho. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by RoginaJack » 04 Jan 2018, 4:49 pm

yep, It's called "The Weapons Act" because it includes Knives, spearguns, knuckle dusters and other forms etc, etc., not just firearms and that is why you have a 'Firearms Licence'.

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Post by Oldbloke » 04 Jan 2018, 7:46 pm

"So the guys that complained about the air rifle had to remove his shed? "

:lol: :violin: Just made my day
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Post by pomemax » 05 Jan 2018, 11:58 am

Oldbloke wrote:"So the guys that complained about the air rifle had to remove his shed? "

:lol: :violin: Just made my day

Yes and the guy who was shooting was shooting Indian Miners and burning them not rats at all but that was the first thing that came into his head when the cop approached him then he thought nothing more after cop left till the woman next door apologized about the rats and told him about the council making her get rid of shed
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Post by mackoutback » 05 Jan 2018, 1:52 pm

Hi guys, Have you got a shed to sit in and use the air rifle from?
I pin my targets to a big remoovalist cardboard box and the box is filled with foam, the pellets don't even go half way through so everything is contained within my shed.
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Post by RoginaJack » 05 Jan 2018, 4:12 pm

+ :clap: Great idea!
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Post by Pixter » 17 Feb 2019, 10:56 am

I used to live in inner-Sydney in a long, skinny terrace house with a corridor that ran the length of the building, through the kitchen and laundry to the verandah which overlooked the backyard. That became my shooting range. I played loudish Metallica throughout the house and ran the lawn mower in the backyard to disguise any sound from the .22 Diana PCP. My targets were concealed in a large, wooden, open-ended box filled with rags and adorned with pot plants and garden ornaments. After a time I dispensed with the lawn mower. No one suspected a thing.
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Post by bladeracer » 17 Feb 2019, 1:16 pm

Pixter wrote:I used to live in inner-Sydney in a long, skinny terrace house with a corridor that ran the length of the building, through the kitchen and laundry to the verandah which overlooked the backyard. That became my shooting range. I played loudish Metallica throughout the house and ran the lawn mower in the backyard to disguise any sound from the .22 Diana PCP. My targets were concealed in a large, wooden, open-ended box filled with rags and adorned with pot plants and garden ornaments. After a time I dispensed with the lawn mower. No one suspected a thing.


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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 18 Feb 2019, 9:57 am

Hey I used to shoot birds in my house with an air rifle, pop balloons in the middle of a busy tourist city with thousands of ppl around me.....ohh wait it was a different country


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