Hunting on Crown Land

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Hunting on Crown Land

Post by juststarting » 23 Feb 2016, 12:38 am

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I am helping a friend with the Victorian firearm licence application form... Section '8 - hunting' genuine reason has this option (option 6)

6. Original copy (issued in the last 12 months) of your Registration of Interest in hunting pest animals on Crown Land from Department of Environment, Land, Water & Planning (DELWP)


My own purpose was VIC Game Licence, but seeing this, both of us have no idea what this means, I thought I would ask here. Specifically:

What is 'Crown Land', how is it different to a state forest?
Why do I need a permit to hunt there, but not in SF (e.g. bunnies and foxes)?



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Re: Hunting on Crown Land

Post by No1Mk3 » 23 Feb 2016, 3:59 am

G'day juststarting,
At Law, Crown Land (as applied to Australia) is that land owned by the Government on behalf of the People, ie: Public Land. It is no different at all to State Forest which is Public Land, ie: Crown Land. You do not need a permit to hunt there if you have a Game Licence, and the form you noted is NOT a permit, and confers NO right to hunt or shoot on any land. It is, as it states, an "Registration of Interest", nothing else. It is only one of many ways you can justify your genuine reason, such as a landowners letter, etc. Cheers,
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Post by newsteadvic » 23 Feb 2016, 8:01 am

It is a cheap way to fulfil the reason own, my last one was 4 years ago but was only $11-12?
You do have to go in person the office however.
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Post by juststarting » 23 Feb 2016, 8:49 am

Thanks.

So see if I understand this. The registration of interest is good purely for licence acquisition. However it does not act as a permit to shoot in crown land for example, for foxes, rabbits, etc.

If that's the case, does one actually need a permit to shoot in SF?
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Post by Modena » 23 Feb 2016, 10:02 am

It costs $13, you do not have to go in person just call them and pay with credit card over the phone, they will mail you the permit.

read point 2 here
http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/firearms/firearms-licence2
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Post by juststarting » 23 Feb 2016, 10:08 am

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Post by juststarting » 23 Feb 2016, 10:15 am

Yeah, though so, @bentaz. This is another one of those, hey give us some money.
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Re: Hunting on Crown Land

Post by Modena » 23 Feb 2016, 12:09 pm

bentaz wrote:No you don't need a permit to hunt in SF.


ah I beg to differ on this. If you are hunting in state forest then you are either hunting pests for which you need a permit as I linked to above, or you are hunting game for which you need a game license.
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Post by southeast varmiter » 23 Feb 2016, 12:23 pm

Modena wrote:
bentaz wrote:No you don't need a permit to hunt in SF.


ah I beg to differ on this. If you are hunting in state forest then you are either hunting pests for which you need a permit as I linked to above, or you are hunting game for which you need a game license.

Incorrect. No permit for hunting pests as long as your firearms licence has hunting selected as genuine reason.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 23 Feb 2016, 4:06 pm

Sorry all..... by design our firearm legislative system is complicated and somewhat unintelligible....remember the idea is to stifle us....

No permit for pest required (such a permit doesnt exist)
Pests are dog/dingo cat fox rabbit hare goat pig and some others....(brumbies??)

When SHOOTING pests you need a longarm licence - ANY endorsement is OK; sport/target/hunting/PP.....

Is this not the 100th thread on the subect????
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Post by Gwion » 23 Feb 2016, 4:49 pm

bentaz wrote:
southeast varmiter wrote:. No permit for hunting pests as long as your firearms licence has hunting selected as genuine reason.

i think your shooting yourself in the foot if you don't get "hunting and target shooting" on your licence and always go for A &B even if you think you won't need it.
And always buy 5 times the safe space you think you'll need.


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Post by happyhunter » 23 Feb 2016, 4:55 pm

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Post by AusC » 01 Mar 2016, 1:35 pm

Regarding the A/B that's a no brainer. You don't have to prove or provide anything more to get a A/B license over an A only, and it doesn't cost any more so just do it.

You don't need to register an expression of interest to hunt pests on crown land, it's just one form of evidence.

"hunting" is a valid reason. That could mean hunting pests on private property where the declaration would be irrelevant.

You could be intending to hunt game, same story. If you really felt the need you could send along a completed game license application saying you intend to submit it after your firearms license is approved, or just get it first. I can't remember exactly how much it is but off the top of my head I think it's about $40 a year so not alot?

As for joining a club, the SSAA has no attendance requirements from longarm shooting and as they are an approved range and hunting club membership is covers you for hunting and target shooting reasons.

Your license wouldn't be dependant on club membership, it is just dependent on having a valid reason.

Could be attending a club which doesn't require membership, any variety of hunting, etc. etc.
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Post by Modena » 01 Mar 2016, 8:12 pm

I was told by the DFO that if you put club details as the "reason" (eg target shooting) and some time later you decide not to renew your club membership, every so often the club will submit a list of people who have dropped off membership to the licensing division and the boys could turn up asking for your reasons for still owning firearms when you no longer have a valid reason.

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just repeating what the DFO told me. Make of it what you will. He also said in the same breath this is a good reason not to use club membership as a reason on your form. Like I said, just repeating what I was told first hand.
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Post by Oldbloke » 02 Mar 2016, 8:52 pm

I thought that was NSW. But could be wrong.
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Post by AusTac » 02 Mar 2016, 9:06 pm

I have club membership and ' hunting ' as my reasons, as probably everyone else, but let my game license expire and was very slack in renewing it, was waiting for a knock lol, as far as i know, its up to the descretion of whoever catches you, if you have the a/b whatever license, and a game license and your in ' recognized deer habitat ' in the correct season with the correct caliber with a deer stalking game license your right as rain,

But if you've got all of the above and are toting a .22 it could go eaither way
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Re: Hunting on Crown Land

Post by juststarting » 02 Mar 2016, 9:36 pm

Modena wrote:I was told by the DFO that if you put club details as the "reason" (eg target shooting) and some time later you decide not to renew your club membership, every so often the club will submit a list of people who have dropped off membership to the licensing division and the boys could turn up asking for your reasons for still owning firearms when you no longer have a valid reason.

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just repeating what the DFO told me. Make of it what you will. He also said in the same breath this is a good reason not to use club membership as a reason on your form. Like I said, just repeating what I was told first hand.



I was told exactly the same thing by DFO (think he was a DFO, one of the cops who ran the safety course), who suggested that hunting is a better reason/purpose. After which he proceeded to handing out "stop the extreme greenie" stickers. Though that was fantastic.
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Post by Squiddy » 03 Mar 2016, 7:12 am

Modena wrote:It costs $13, you do not have to go in person just call them and pay with credit card over the phone, they will mail you the permit.

read point 2 here
http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/firearms/firearms-licence2


Can confirm, did this a few weeks ago.
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Post by Lorgar » 03 Mar 2016, 9:38 am

Modena wrote:I was told by the DFO that if you put club details as the "reason" (eg target shooting) and some time later you decide not to renew your club membership, every so often the club will submit a list of people who have dropped off membership to the licensing division and the boys could turn up asking for your reasons for still owning firearms when you no longer have a valid reason.

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just repeating what the DFO told me. Make of it what you will. He also said in the same breath this is a good reason not to use club membership as a reason on your form. Like I said, just repeating what I was told first hand.


You can update the details of your license though.

If someone originally put 'target shooting with x club' it doesn't mean that's the only condition you're ever allowed to shoot under moving forward.

Anyone who's done this can just have 'hunting' added to their license, problem solved :thumbsup:
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Post by deanfish » 23 Mar 2016, 2:48 am

I'm new and I am having trouble finding out exactly how to register my intent to hunt pests. Who do I call or what link do I follow to sort it out. I don't particularly want to pay gun club fees when I just want to shoot on private property.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 30 Mar 2016, 6:49 am

Do you know who's private property ? ?
If so get their written consent . ...
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 30 Mar 2016, 9:09 am

You must be a member of a target shooting org to use that reason and have your licence endorsed for target shooting.

Although you do NOT need a sport/target shooting endorsed licence to shoot at an approved range, you can not target shoot on private property withOUT a target shooting endorsement...

So if you live out of the city, comply with the regs as far as target shooting on private property, 250m from a residence, back stop etc, you MUST join a club...

Yup, them laws aint meant to be simple fair, theyre designed to confound and stifle lawful shooting...
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Post by SamHuntVic » 30 Mar 2016, 1:24 pm

When my renewal came back after I had filled in the appropriate form, somebody in the office added Target Shooting to my shooters' licence. I didn't put that down and had never done so.
I called and asked for it to be removed, which happened and was sent a second plastic card with just hunting on it. I now have two legitimate licence cards.
I didn't want target shooting on it as a reason because, as I explained to the lady in the office, at any time in the future I didn't want to be made to attend a range just to support my renewal. She didn't have a clue how it was added so blamed temporary staff.
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Post by Vati » 05 Apr 2016, 3:43 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:Yup, them laws aint meant to be simple fair, theyre designed to confound and stifle lawful shooting...


As you know the policy here is when in doubt, add more laws.

Never mind reading the existing ones or updating things to make sense. Just add more.
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Post by JWT » 01 Nov 2017, 6:24 am

Modena wrote:It costs $13, you do not have to go in person just call them and pay with credit card over the phone, they will mail you the permit.

read point 2 here
http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/firearms/firearms-licence2


Confirming this is still accurate at 10/2017 having just done it myself, as this thread comes up in google a lot under searches for genuine reason.

Still $13 including postage, no going in person required, CC over the phone, arrives about a week later in the post. Easy peasy.
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Post by marksman » 02 Nov 2017, 8:11 am

what I have been told is that if you use a club membership for your genuine reason you must be a member of that club for the duration of that licence or what Modena said can come true

as for the registration of interest to hunt pest animals on crown land permit, it is only there to give you a reason for applying for your licence, you only need to buy this permit when applying for your licence you do not need this for shooting pest animals on crown land
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Post by marksman » 02 Nov 2017, 8:37 am

I thought I'd put up what it says in the vic regs about target shooting on private property

22 Conduct of sport or target shooting activity on
private property
(1) For the purposes of items 1(5A), 2(2)(c) and
4(2A) of Schedule 2 to the Act, the following
provisions apply to the carrying out or conducting
of an activity—
(a) if—
(i) more than 5 persons take part in the
activity; and
(ii) the activity is carried on continuously
for more than 3 hours—
a member of the police force, at the police
station which is open and which is
reasonably believed to be nearest to the
activity, must have been notified before the
activity takes place, that the activity is to
take place;
(b) a person taking part in the activity must not
discharge a rifle in the course of the activity
unless it is discharged at a target which has
in place, within 20 metres behind it, a
backstop which is capable of stopping any
projectile which passes through or beyond
the target;
(c) a person taking part in the activity must not
discharge a firearm in the course of the
activity within—
(i) 250 metres of a dwelling, being a
dwelling which is not on the land on
which the activity takes place, unless
permission has been granted by the
occupier of the land on which the
dwelling is situated; or
(ii) 100 metres of a public road;
r. 22
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Firearms Regulations 2008
S.R. No. 22/2008
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(d) a person taking part in the activity, when
discharging a firearm in the course of the
activity, must be stationary;
(e) the activity must not take place between the
hours of sunset and sunrise;
(f) the activity must not be advertised or
formally organised or formally scheduled;
(g) a person taking part in the activity must not
give or receive direct or indirect financial
benefit to or from any other person as
payment for taking part in the activity;
(h) a person taking part in the activity must not
consume or be under the influence of
intoxicating liquor during the course of the
activity or be under the influence of a drug
during the course of the activity.
(2) A notification under subregulation (1)(a) must
include—
(a) the name, address and contact telephone
number of the person making the
notification; and
(b) the land on which the activity is to take
place; and
(c) the day on which the activity is to take place;
and
(d) the nature of the activity
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Post by SlamminSam » 06 May 2019, 2:51 pm

Modena wrote:It costs $13, you do not have to go in person just call them and pay with credit card over the phone, they will mail you the permit.

read point 2 here
http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/firearms/firearms-licence2


It's been a while since this post was updated. I can confirm this still works.

Give them a call, tell them you want to register an interest to hunt pest animals on crown land. They will ask your contact details, then card details, and will charge you $11 and mail you the letter in a few days.
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Post by bladeracer » 06 May 2019, 6:18 pm

SlamminSam wrote:
Modena wrote:It costs $13, you do not have to go in person just call them and pay with credit card over the phone, they will mail you the permit.

read point 2 here
http://www.gma.vic.gov.au/firearms/firearms-licence2


It's been a while since this post was updated. I can confirm this still works.

Give them a call, tell them you want to register an interest to hunt pest animals on crown land. They will ask your contact details, then card details, and will charge you $11 and mail you the letter in a few days.


Except that it is not a permit and not required for anything except as genuine reason when applying for a firearms licence.
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