tucked wrote:Just wanting to check,
99% sure it's ok to lend a rifle to a mate for a while as long as they have the same license category, yeah?
Not a change of regular storage address, but if they want to borrow for a week or two to get a feel before buying one of their own.
All good I think?
juststarting wrote:I don't think it's fine by default. If you and a mate have a Cat B for example, mate can borrow your Car B firearm as long as they have at least one firearms or to be more specific - had their first PTA and the waiting period associated with that. As far as I understand. If they don't have a firearm in that category, I would double check...
bladeracer wrote:tucked wrote:Just wanting to check,
99% sure it's ok to lend a rifle to a mate for a while as long as they have the same license category, yeah?
Not a change of regular storage address, but if they want to borrow for a week or two to get a feel before buying one of their own.
All good I think?
I think only WA doesn't allow lending of firearms.
One problem with NSW though is he won't be able to buy ammunition for it unless he has one of his own in the same caliber?
I think he's allowed to possess the ammo though.
bladeracer wrote:juststarting wrote:I don't think it's fine by default. If you and a mate have a Cat B for example, mate can borrow your Car B firearm as long as they have at least one firearms or to be more specific - had their first PTA and the waiting period associated with that. As far as I understand. If they don't have a firearm in that category, I would double check...
I wasn't aware of any requirement to actually own a firearm to be a licenced shooter.
My understanding is that if you are licenced then you can shoot and use firearms of those categories. You only need PtA's to take ownership.
Borrowing and loaning firearms
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow a Victorian or interstate firearm from a friend/relative provided:
you have their permission to do so
your Victorian licence allows you to carry and use that category and type of firearm.
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow the firearm of a Victorian or interstate licensed firearm dealer provided:
your licence is more than 28 days old
you already have at least one firearm registered to you
you have their permission to do so, and
your Victorian licence allows you to possess, carry and use that category and type of firearm.
brett1868 wrote:Just make sure you make a note of their firearms license number, categories and expiry date so you can't be done for supplying firearms to a unlicensed person. It's your responsibility to ensure they are licensed, don't assume or take their word for it.
juststarting wrote:http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=34328Borrowing and loaning firearms
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow a Victorian or interstate firearm from a friend/relative provided:
you have their permission to do so
your Victorian licence allows you to carry and use that category and type of firearm.
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow the firearm of a Victorian or interstate licensed firearm dealer provided:
your licence is more than 28 days old
you already have at least one firearm registered to you
you have their permission to do so, and
your Victorian licence allows you to possess, carry and use that category and type of firearm.
28 days old... That's what I meant. Equivalent to waiting period for a PTA. And the "at least one firearm registered to you".
bigfellascott wrote:How would the gun shop know?
juststarting wrote:http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=34328Borrowing and loaning firearms
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow a Victorian or interstate firearm from a friend/relative provided:
you have their permission to do so
your Victorian licence allows you to carry and use that category and type of firearm.
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow the firearm of a Victorian or interstate licensed firearm dealer provided:
your licence is more than 28 days old
you already have at least one firearm registered to you
you have their permission to do so, and
your Victorian licence allows you to possess, carry and use that category and type of firearm.
28 days old... That's what I meant. Equivalent to waiting period for a PTA. And the "at least one firearm registered to you".
bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:How would the gun shop know?
I don't live in a state that only allows you to buy ammo for firearms you own so I don't know how that system works.
Do you mean that dealers just ignore the requirement?
NSW: http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/services/firearms/firearms_and_ammunition/frequently_asked_questions#fire8
"What requirements must be met to acquire ammunition?
Sections 65 & 45A of the Firearms Act 1996 prescribe that ammunition for a firearm may only be supplied to a person who produces at the time of the sale:
Identification showing the name and address of the purchaser, and
A current firearms licence or permit for a firearm that takes the type of ammunition being purchased, or
A permit authorising the person to purchase the ammunition.
If the ammunition being purchased is for a pistol, in addition to the above the buyer must produce the following at the time of sale:
The registration certificate for the firearm taking that type of ammunition, or
An issued permit to acquire for a firearm which takes that ammunition."
Although maybe it only applies to pistol ammo?
never been asked to prove I own a particular cal when purchasing ammo - don't own any cap guns so can't comment on how that all works.A current firearms licence OR
bladeracer wrote:juststarting wrote:http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=34328Borrowing and loaning firearms
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow a Victorian or interstate firearm from a friend/relative provided:
you have their permission to do so
your Victorian licence allows you to carry and use that category and type of firearm.
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow the firearm of a Victorian or interstate licensed firearm dealer provided:
your licence is more than 28 days old
you already have at least one firearm registered to you
you have their permission to do so, and
your Victorian licence allows you to possess, carry and use that category and type of firearm.
28 days old... That's what I meant. Equivalent to waiting period for a PTA. And the "at least one firearm registered to you".
Good stuff.
That throws a spanner in the works then. You can't borrow a firearm if you don't own one yourself?
bladeracer wrote:bladeracer wrote:juststarting wrote:http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=34328Borrowing and loaning firearms
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow a Victorian or interstate firearm from a friend/relative provided:
you have their permission to do so
your Victorian licence allows you to carry and use that category and type of firearm.
If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow the firearm of a Victorian or interstate licensed firearm dealer provided:
your licence is more than 28 days old
you already have at least one firearm registered to you
you have their permission to do so, and
your Victorian licence allows you to possess, carry and use that category and type of firearm.
28 days old... That's what I meant. Equivalent to waiting period for a PTA. And the "at least one firearm registered to you".
Good stuff.
That throws a spanner in the works then. You can't borrow a firearm if you don't own one yourself?
Actually, I went to the link.
It appears that those extra conditions are only for borrowing from a dealer.
Borrowing a firearm from a friend only requires the first conditions:
"If you hold a Victorian firearm licence, you can borrow a Victorian or interstate firearm from a friend/relative provided:
you have their permission to do so
your Victorian licence allows you to carry and use that category and type of firearm."
juststarting wrote:I don't think it's fine by default. If you and a mate have a Cat B for example, mate can borrow your Car B firearm as long as they have at least one firearms or to be more specific - had their first PTA and the waiting period associated with that. As far as I understand. If they don't have a firearm in that category, I would double check...
bigfellascott wrote:I was going to say your comprehension needs some work but you finally figured it out
bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:How would the gun shop know?
I don't live in a state that only allows you to buy ammo for firearms you own so I don't know how that system works.
Do you mean that dealers just ignore the requirement?
NSW: http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/services/firearms/firearms_and_ammunition/frequently_asked_questions#fire8
"What requirements must be met to acquire ammunition?
Sections 65 & 45A of the Firearms Act 1996 prescribe that ammunition for a firearm may only be supplied to a person who produces at the time of the sale:
Identification showing the name and address of the purchaser, and
A current firearms licence or permit for a firearm that takes the type of ammunition being purchased, or
A permit authorising the person to purchase the ammunition.
If the ammunition being purchased is for a pistol, in addition to the above the buyer must produce the following at the time of sale:
The registration certificate for the firearm taking that type of ammunition, or
An issued permit to acquire for a firearm which takes that ammunition."
Although maybe it only applies to pistol ammo?never been asked to prove I own a particular cal when purchasing ammo - don't own any cap guns so can't comment on how that all works.A current firearms licence OR
Take not of that underlined bit! When you purchase ammo in NSW you show your license, it's recorded in the ammo purchase book (can't remember if we sign the book or not now - been a while) I don't think so but can't remember 100% anyway your license, name and address are recorded - as for cap gun ammo not sure, might ask my mate if I remember.
juststarting wrote:Whomever said it's state to state is correct. What I've posted is valid for Victoria. NSW, shooter must be licensed for the firearm they want to borrow, nothing else, according to NSW Police firearms guide handbook.