Permit To Acquire Confusion

[Bushie]

So I have filled out my license application (junior A&B) and my dad has done the same for his (A&B) and I have been recently looking into the whole "Permit to Acquire" situation and the Vic Police website can be very confusing and I was wondering if I could come to you guys for some help.

So I have heard from a few Firearms dealers that I can send off my permit to acquire at the same time I do with my dads license so that way after the 28 days I can just go and get my shotgun immediately (I have placed a deposit on a miroku mk70)
and he says that on the form all I have to do is write "Category A" but on the actual "permit to acquire" forms there is a whole lot of stuff to fill in like 'license number' which I don't have yet.

I would like to get all of this done in the quickest time possible as well as I have been a lover of all firearms my whole life and I finally have a shot at getting my own gun!

Thanks and Happy Australia Day

[pete1]

Yeh you can send off your PTA with your firearm licence forms.
It will ask you for category, type and caliber in the instructions for cat A fill in that with rest of details needed leave off the licence number as you don't have one.
Be aware that it takes 28 days + mail time + plus time to get photo done + print and mail your licence + then mail out our permit. so don't panic if it doesn't come right after the 28 days, but will be heaps quicker then doing a PTA after your licence comes through.

Happy shooting and have a good Australia Day to

[Bushie]

Yeh you can send off your PTA with your firearm licence forms.
It will ask you for category, type and caliber in the instructions for cat A fill in that with rest of details needed leave off the licence number as you don't have one.
Be aware that it takes 28 days + mail time + plus time to get photo done + print and mail your licence + then mail out our permit. so don't panic if it doesn't come right after the 28 days, but will be heaps quicker then doing a PTA after your licence comes through.

Happy shooting and have a good Australia Day to

Thanks for clearing that up for me mate!

[<<Genesis93>>]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

[Bushie]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

Yes that was what I meant to say sorry, while I have your guys attention as well with the process of sending of for all of it to be cleared and confirmed, do we send off money with our forms or do we pay afterwards, like how does that go down, couldn't find anywhere on Vic Police about how that works either.

[bladeracer]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

Yes that was what I meant to say sorry, while I have your guys attention as well with the process of sending of for all of it to be cleared and confirmed, do we send off money with our forms or do we pay afterwards, like how does that go down, couldn't find anywhere on Vic Police about how that works either.

I don't recall paying anything up front.
The licence was approved so I went and paid that.
Then when into the shop for the rifle and paid the PtA there.

[<<Genesis93>>]

cash at the end..... when you go for the photo.

[Substance]

I have a question regarding PTA's I have 2 currently processing, both are for the same dealer. I want to change dealers, can i do this over the phone or will I need to put a new PTA in? This is for QLD

[RealNick]

In VIC once the PTA is approved it's in the computer for the dealers to log in an get from the registry.

You'd hope it would be the same there in QLD as ultimately the permit if from QLD Police, not the dealer themselves?

[happyhunter]

I find it unusual that the gun dealer didn't handle the PTA for your dad? I haven't had to fill in or send a PTA for the last few purchasers because the dealers do it.

[Bushie]

I find it unusual that the gun dealer didn't handle the PTA for your dad? I haven't had to fill in or send a PTA for the last few purchasers because the dealers do it.

I think they can but It saves me a trip to tullamarine and back

[happyhunter]

I find it unusual that the gun dealer didn't handle the PTA for your dad? I haven't had to fill in or send a PTA for the last few purchasers because the dealers do it.

I think they can but It saves me a trip to tullamarine and back

Worth the trip mate. Often with Category A guns the permit comes through on the same day.

[Bushie]

I was told that he first one always takes 28 days to process

[bladeracer]

I was told that he first one always takes 28 days to process

It does, that's why you put in the PtA with your licence application so both get processed at the same time.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I was told that he first one always takes 28 days to process

No, it takes literally minutes to process if that, you then wait 28 days before you're illegible to receive it.

The (overt) intent of the PTA was NOT what we were told;
that is as a "cooling off period" - the old "HE" shouldnt be able to buy a gun in a fit of rage and shoot his missers (because dv is always perpetrated by men, and men only have guns or want guns for that purpose of course )

Perhaps they couldnt 'word' it in a less self deprecating / emasculating and insulting way to all licence holders... so the bunch of traitors back in 96 (APMC) 'agreed' on the following (that was prepared previously, we've covered that)

AUSTRALASIAN POLICE MINISTERS’ COUNCIL
SPECIAL FIREARMS MEETING
CANBERRA
10 MAY 1996
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RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that a separate permit be required for the acquisition of every firearm.
(b) that the issue of a permit should be subject to a waiting period of at least 28 days to enable appropriate checks to be made on licensees in order to ascertain whether circumstances have occurred since the issuing of the original licence which would render the licensee unsuitable to possess the firearm or which would render the licensee ineligible for that type of firearm.

So,
All they do is check that you have a licence (ie. hasnt been cancelled), check there's no red mark against your entry (AVO, any other sanctions)... then whammy, the 'system' shows a valid permit in your name that the dealer will 'see'...THAT WOULD TAKE SECONDS!!

ie. with today's tech and the interconnected everything - a WAITING PERIOD is a REDUNDANT CONCEPT.... at least according to the NFA that the grabtards insist should not at ANY cost be deviated from or watered down... apart from the Assault Adler of course...

[bladeracer]

So,
All they do is check that you have a licence (ie. hasnt been cancelled), check there's no red mark against your entry (AVO, any other sanctions)... then whammy, the 'system' shows a valid permit in your name that the dealer will 'see'...THAT WOULD TAKE SECONDS!!

ie. with today's tech and the interconnected everything - a WAITING PERIOD is a REDUNDANT CONCEPT.... at least according to the NFA that the grabtards insist should not at ANY cost be deviated from or watered down... apart from the Assault Adler of course...

That's how it works in Victoria.
Fastest I've had was five-minutes - it pays to buy first thing Monday morning

[Bushie]

Silly silly left wings, when you send of for your PTA do they send back a physical permit that I can walk into a shop with and walk out with a gun?

[bladeracer]

Silly silly left wings, when you send of for your PTA do they send back a physical permit that I can walk into a shop with and walk out with a gun?

I've never seen an actual PtA. The gunshop does them for me online.

If I see something on the shelf at my local then I simply pay for it, they do the PtA online, I take the firearms home. Several weeks later I receive the rego papers in the mail.

1. I see a firearm I want that my local hasn't got.
2 .I get my local to order it for me new. Or I pay whoever has it and have them send it to my local gunshop.
3. When it arrives at the shop they ring to tell me it's in and they do the PtA.
4. I go in later that day, sign the book, and take the firearm home with me.

Frankly, from the point of view of the gun buyer, it's no different to how I used to buy my firearms 35 years ago.

[<<Genesis93>>]

So,
All they do is check that you have a licence (ie. hasnt been cancelled), check there's no red mark against your entry (AVO, any other sanctions)... then whammy, the 'system' shows a valid permit in your name that the dealer will 'see'...THAT WOULD TAKE SECONDS!!

ie. with today's tech and the interconnected everything - a WAITING PERIOD is a REDUNDANT CONCEPT.... at least according to the NFA that the grabtards insist should not at ANY cost be deviated from or watered down... apart from the Assault Adler of course...

That's how it works in Victoria.
Fastest I've had was five-minutes - it pays to buy first thing Monday morning

I should have added, they also check your other firearms.... make sure you don't have 'too many' of similar chamberings.... which is NOT part of the NFA requirement..... but a lot of the law isn't....

[happyhunter]

Silly silly left wings, when you send of for your PTA do they send back a physical permit that I can walk into a shop with and walk out with a gun?

Yep and Nup, cos you have to pay the fee first. If the PTA is done on paper they send the actual permit back by mail and you have to go to a Westpac Bank and pay the 9 bucks or whatever it costs now, the bank teller stamps the permit and then you take the permit to the gun shop and pick up your gun.

Don't worry about the bank. The tellers will know exactly what the permit is for and what to do. They process heaps them

[JakeN]

Yes you do get a piece of paper. You need to take it to Westpac and pay to recieve the stamp on it making it valid.
You can BPay it but you might not be able to actually use it until a few days have passed so as the computer shows paid and valid at the dealer.

I got some on a Friday and paid at the bank.
Saturday I went to gun shop. Computer showed not paid yet. However as I had paid at the bank it had the stamp so was able to complete the purchase and take possession then.
Otherwise "computer says no"

[happyhunter]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

Yes that was what I meant to say sorry, while I have your guys attention as well with the process of sending of for all of it to be cleared and confirmed, do we send off money with our forms or do we pay afterwards, like how does that go down, couldn't find anywhere on Vic Police about how that works either.

I don't recall paying anything up front.
The licence was approved so I went and paid that.
Then when into the shop for the rifle and paid the PtA there.

I do recall you claiming to be a long time shooter.. pre the nanny act?? Contradiction noted

[<<Genesis93>>]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

Yes that was what I meant to say sorry, while I have your guys attention as well with the process of sending of for all of it to be cleared and confirmed, do we send off money with our forms or do we pay afterwards, like how does that go down, couldn't find anywhere on Vic Police about how that works either.

I don't recall paying anything up front.
The licence was approved so I went and paid that.
Then when into the shop for the rifle and paid the PtA there.

I do recall you claiming to be a long time shooter.. pre the nanny act?? Contradiction noted

nah, he/she is fully legit, even without ever seeing an actual PTA....

I've never seen an actual PtA

onya old(or perhaps young) Blades of glory

[bladeracer]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

Yes that was what I meant to say sorry, while I have your guys attention as well with the process of sending of for all of it to be cleared and confirmed, do we send off money with our forms or do we pay afterwards, like how does that go down, couldn't find anywhere on Vic Police about how that works either.

I don't recall paying anything up front.
The licence was approved so I went and paid that.
Then when into the shop for the rifle and paid the PtA there.

I do recall you claiming to be a long time shooter.. pre the nanny act?? Contradiction noted

So all you have to add to this thread is a personal attack aimed at me?
Was there something you wanted to ask about my history?

[bladeracer]

Bushie, you're referring to 'yourself', I take it you know you, as a junior can not own a firearm, therefore can not apply for a PTA right?
Your old man will need to apply for any PTA...and he can send in with HIS licence application...

Yes that was what I meant to say sorry, while I have your guys attention as well with the process of sending of for all of it to be cleared and confirmed, do we send off money with our forms or do we pay afterwards, like how does that go down, couldn't find anywhere on Vic Police about how that works either.

I don't recall paying anything up front.
The licence was approved so I went and paid that.
Then when into the shop for the rifle and paid the PtA there.

I do recall you claiming to be a long time shooter.. pre the nanny act?? Contradiction noted

nah, he/she is fully legit, even without ever seeing an actual PTA....

I've never seen an actual PtA

onya old(or perhaps young) Blades of glory

I'm guessing you also are a fanboy of HH...

[Bushie]

HH and Gen like what do you even gain by having a dig a blade, after this thread I spoke o a few dealers and they said 8 times out 10 they sort out the PTA and the buyers don't even bother with the paperwork, so don't fire shots and bladeracer?

[bladeracer]

HH and Gen like what do you even gain by having a dig a blade, after this thread I spoke o a few dealers and they said 8 times out 10 they sort out the PTA and the buyers don't even bother with the paperwork, so don't fire shots and bladeracer?

Ignore them. HH seems to have taken a dislike to me as soon as I joined the forum for reasons of his own. His problem, not mine.

Nearest I've ever been to any sort of "permit" to buy any firearm was buying a 9mm handgun in 1990 - had to get a letter from the pistol club, and I had to wait for seven days I think before I could pick it up.
Other than that single instance, I've never required any paperwork to buy any firearm other than a firearms licence.
Even my first firearm when I got my Victorian licence in 2014 I never saw any PtA, and I picked up my .204 the same day I received my licence.

[<<Genesis93>>]

No personal attack Blades of glory, having some fun, don't be precious...

Your questionable postings don't help.... there have been permits for all longarms since 96, even if you came from elsewhere as far as I'm aware, certainly in VIC up to today, though there is the option to have the dealer do it electronically for probably about 3 or 4 years??, probably many most/all dealer are now hooked up to the system...

[bladeracer]

No personal attack Blades of glory, having some fun, don't be precious...

Your questionable postings don't help.... there have been permits for all longarms since 96, even if you came from elsewhere as far as I'm aware, certainly in VIC up to today, though there is the option to have the dealer do it electronically for probably about 3 or 4 years??, probably many most/all dealer are now hooked up to the system...

My postings may be questionable to somebody that has limited experience perhaps. Anybody that has moved around our country or been involved with firearms for more than two decades would be quite aware that none of our states have the same laws on anything, and that the laws change often.

[Title_II]

Permit To Acquire Confusion

I have a question. Once you get the permit, where do you go to acquire the confusion?