<<Genesis93>> wrote:We can have pew, also pew pew... but not pewpewpewpewpew.... (no semi autos)..
'fire' held by the 'arms'...like making 'fire'...propelling with fire?? whats the point?
I realise they were "designed to kill people"... thats the basis of their demented ideology...
I know exactly how to think.....I just refuse to comply with the nonsense programing of Ms. Rebecca Peters (&Co.) who you guys sent BACK to us recently...
Title_II wrote:We can have pew, also pew pew... but not pewpewpewpewpew.... (no semi autos)..
'fire' held by the 'arms'...like making 'fire'...propelling with fire?? whats the point?
I realise they were "designed to kill people"... thats the basis of their demented ideology...
I know exactly how to think.....I just refuse to comply with the nonsense programing of Ms. Rebecca Peters (&Co.) who you guys sent BACK to us recently...
Fire held by the arms? Are you serious? "Arms" means weapons
Title_II wrote:OK, mate, you scared me for a moment And I know Americans are dumb, but I did take four years of Latin
I really want to get out of this because it's obviously touchy and I don't want to be a pain. Would appreciate nobody taking a serious go at me, I am a guest here trying to be on good behavior and don't want to be baited (not about you, Genesis). I want to help if I can but I don't want to upset my hosts.
Title_II wrote:All of those "implements" have a purpose other than destruction. The only thing a gun does it put holes in people, animals, and things. Or, with the proper ammo, set them on fire and/or blow them up. They don't build a house, play a round of golf, get you a drink, or transport you from point A to point B. They only destroy and kill. And all of them were designed with that in mind, again with the exception of competition and training guns, which were designed to train and demonstrate expertise in destroying and killing.
bladeracer wrote:Title_II wrote:All of those "implements" have a purpose other than destruction. The only thing a gun does it put holes in people, animals, and things. Or, with the proper ammo, set them on fire and/or blow them up. They don't build a house, play a round of golf, get you a drink, or transport you from point A to point B. They only destroy and kill. And all of them were designed with that in mind, again with the exception of competition and training guns, which were designed to train and demonstrate expertise in destroying and killing.
Putting holes in things is not automatically "destruction", lots of other tools do the same for purposes of construction. We shoot animals to harvest them, not to destroy them - there is a difference.
They certainly do not _only_ kill and destroy.
Very, very, very few firearms held by non-military people ever get used to kill or destroy people, and a very, very large number never kill or injure any living thing. If that were their "only purpose" I can only say that there has never been any invention less fit for purpose than a firearm, with the obvious exception of politicians.
Warfare is the driving force behind almost all human evolution, a lot of the technological evolution aimed at designing more effective ways to kill people and destroy things - weapons. But when that technology is further evolved in time of peace it is no longer a weapon, the same with firearms. The first firearms were invented as weapons, and that was their only purpose. During peace time they became tools for training the skills of military people, although actually using those "training" firearms as weapons against actual people or materiel was very unlikely. When these training firearms evolved into more efficient training tools using very un-military cartridges, like .22LR, and even paintball and airsoft, their "only purpose" was certainly not to kill or destroy anything at all, ever.
Target shooting and hunting may well be handy training if you ever need to use firearms as weapons, but warfare or defence is certainly not the intent of pursuing those activities - it is merely recreational.
Title_II wrote:If what I am saying is going to look bad in our culture in OZ, go ahead and delete it. I have no problems with that, seriously. I don't want to cause issues. But don't bullXXXX me. I would suggest thinking about why we may bullXXXX ourselves.
bladeracer wrote:Putting holes in things is not automatically "destruction".......
Title_II wrote:OK, mate, you scared me for a moment And I know Americans are dumb, but I did take four years of Latin
I really want to get out of this because it's obviously touchy and I don't want to be a pain. Would appreciate nobody taking a serious go at me, I am a guest here trying to be on good behavior and don't want to be baited (not about you, Genesis). I want to help if I can but I don't want to upset my hosts.
Gwion wrote:It's purely a matter of negative connotation for public perception. Talking about weapons has the connotation that we intend to kill, injure or main people with our firearms.
There is also the point of correctly describing an item. I have 20-30 knives laying around but I don't say "I need a weapon to cut this rope"; even though the kitchen knife is the most common murder weapon in Australia.
See how I used the word knife to describe the item and weapon to describe its use???
Same goes with firearms. Only weapons if used as such, regardless of design premise.
bigfellascott wrote:Funny how they never described the car that killed 5 people in Melbourne as a "Weapon" even though it was used to kill people, yet if it had of been a firearm used it would have been "Weapon this Weapon that". Same with the box of matches or Lighter that was used to kill those people in the old peoples home, no mention of those being used as a weapon - gotta love the media.
brett1868 wrote:In times like these let us turn to the dictionary.
Weapon
noun
1. any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
2. anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
3. Zoology. any part or organ serving for attack or defense, as claws, horns, teeth, or stings.
My understanding is that a rifle can only be classed as a weapon when used as a means of attack or defense against another person.
And this you turkey
albat wrote:JJD WTf , ask her if the garage is ok
Supaduke wrote:Man this thread took off on few tangents that's for sure
happyhunter wrote:albat wrote:JJD WTf , ask her if the garage is ok
Good idea. Tell her to move into the garage.
Elmer wrote:My partner (a female of the species) wasnt that keen on guns either BUT she loved the idea of going out bush and making a little camp fire to sit in front and watch the sunset soooooooo I said "How would you like to try a little target practice on some cans when we go up there"?..pause..."Ok then I will ty it"..
result, she had a ball and burnt up 50 rounds of .22 in one session.
Next couple of trips she did the same and then asked if she could try and shoot a bunny?, go for it I said, and 1 dead bunny later saw her grinning from ear to ear.
For the next 12 months she participated in long range bunny popping one time she knocked off 5 consecutive bunnies at 200-300yds with my .223.
But, her longest range shot was a 525 yd bunny with the .260..bloody show off.
So, try and suggest a little camping trip , with a nice camp fire (during winter) and then suggest taking the .22 for a few sessions of plinking targets and cans, that will hopefully remove the Demons from firearms and make her feel more comfortable about storing them at your home .
cheers.