<<Genesis93>> wrote:I dont think its necessary to say that.... I't can only be a positive to have a SFFP rep coming on here answering our questions, but he needs to commit to coming on regularly, not just from time to time...Ethan....
I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??
because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...
Jandamurra wrote:Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.
bentaz wrote:Ok then mate, the NFA 2017 has been released, how is the party going to respond here in Vic?
As a paid up party member i want to know how our representatives are going fight the introduction of 28 day wait on "ALL" permits to aquire? And there being limits to how many rounds i'm allowed to buy?
Wylie27 wrote:Lol I asked the SFFP on Facebook what they are doing about this.
They deleted my post off their page.. they are no better than the greens.
Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..
It got deleted
<<Genesis93>> wrote:
I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??
because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...
bentaz wrote:
I can tell you what the LDP policy will be!
I'm a SFFP member, but since they haven't run a candidate in my area over the last couple of elections (state of fed) so i campaigned, handed out how to vote cards and stuff for the 'Australian country party' and more recently the 'LDP'.
If SFFP won't stand up and be vocal maybe my money would be better off going LionTamers way.
I ditched the SSAA for the same reason
Wylie27 wrote:Genesis your probably right, a bit harsh, but given I was banned from viewing the SFFP page and no longer able to communicate with one of its MP's you can understand my frustration.
What is worse, I was not rude, abrupt or antagonistic. I asked the same 3 questions.
Is the SFFP receiving the same level of support from the greyhound industry and council merger groups for firearm related legislation?
Can the SFFP be a little more vocal and communicate to shooters what they are doing with firearm related issues
Is there a response from SFFP regarding the NFA and what does it mean for shooters.
For those questions I got banned and blocked. That sounds like the action of the greens.
Look at the boiler plate system of the SFFP, please note where the outdoor sports part is.. last, that's right peeps there mission statement has shooting last.. these are the goals the party works on. We are now last in their minds..
There is no political party in Australia that stands for shooters at all anymore. LDP will sell you out to fund his drug programs...
One nation, nope they want to keep the status quo.
Gun-nut wrote:What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?
bentaz wrote:My state electorate is polworth, federal is carangomite.
Don't be sad, if SFFP are not running in my area I'm gunna support whoever locally will fight for us.
Gun-nut wrote:What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?
ethanboris wrote:bentaz wrote:My state electorate is polworth, federal is carangomite.
Don't be sad, if SFFP are not running in my area I'm gunna support whoever locally will fight for us.
Luckily we have started our Geelong branch to keep in touch with the region find them here: http://www.facebook.com/SFFGeelong/?fref=tsGun-nut wrote:What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?
We tried to pass a motion in the parliament late last year that would've held a moratorium on all new national parks for a period of 5 years, we lost the motion 19-19 in the upper house
ethanboris wrote:hansard starting from page 6541 http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images ... ook_19.pdf
it's pretty heavy reading and you should be able to tell who the greens mp's are the vote is at the end
Jandamurra wrote:Gun-nut wrote:pete1 wrote:ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.
I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B
Sure most could agree.
I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.
Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.
Jandamurra wrote:Jandamurra wrote:Gun-nut wrote:pete1 wrote:ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.
I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B
Sure most could agree.
I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.
Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.
Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.
Gun-nut wrote:Jandamurra wrote:Jandamurra wrote:Gun-nut wrote:pete1 wrote:ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.
I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B
Sure most could agree.
I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.
Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.
Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.
I honestly couldn't agree more, we need to ramp up the pressure on the anti's, show em what we're made of!
ethanboris wrote:Hi everyone I have made inquiries into the crossbow issue but we have been inundated with stuff surrounding the fracking ban here in Victoria and as a consequence our MP's are taking priority with this issue.
Late last year Jeff Bourman made calls to allow the deregulation of OC spray and tazers for citizens who feel the need to use it in self defense. But obviously government says they won't support it because of police opinion.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/shoot ... sssj5.html
Early 2015 when an admin bungle saw some cat C license holders needing to reinforce their claim for their cat C license we called on government to consider combining cat B+C licenses but again got no response from government
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/p ... 719b44c3ec
with the sad fact that parliament sits on 3 days every fortnight it gives us very little time to speak on the floor so i can assure you we are pushing the agenda but also have to deal with the government agenda, opposition agenda and anything else that comes up such as Heyfield, fracking and the whole forestry issue.
juststarting wrote:Did someone say erection?
Soz, Bentaz, your sis again...
Jandamurra wrote:I find it really disappointing that the SFFP is on the fracking bandwagon. Not that I'd ever vote for the Greens but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
bentaz wrote:SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?
We have been busy finalizing our branches prior to our AGM which is coming up.Jandamurra wrote:Ethan Constantinou appears to be MIA.
Someone needs to call Rambo to get him out of wherever he is.
ethanboris wrote:bentaz wrote:SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?
The NFA is an aggreement between the states that they will follow the general line. We haven't seen any proposed legislation to amend the Firearms Act come before Parliament yet. We will fight it when it does come up.
bentaz wrote:SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?
The NFA is an aggreement between the states that they will follow the general line. We haven't seen any proposed legislation to amend the Firearms Act come before Parliament yet. We will fight it when it does come up
We have been busy finalizing our branches prior to our AGM which is coming up.Jandamurra wrote:Ethan Constantinou appears to be MIA.
Someone needs to call Rambo to get him out of wherever he is.