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Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Victoria

Post by ethanboris » 12 Feb 2017, 9:00 pm

Hello All,

I am Ethan Constantinou, State Treasurer of the Shooters Fishers and Farmers Party of Victoria. I have come to increase our online presence, listen to your concerns/queries/issues and keep up to date with what's happening

I will try to be on as often as I can, (I currently work 15+ forums and run our twitter/facey etc.) So if I don't respond straight away i will eventually.

you can learn more about our daily activities on the links below:

http://twitter.com/SffpVictoria
http://www.facebook.com/SFPVIC/
www.vicshootersandfishers.org.au
www.shootersfishersandfarmers.org.au
or email me ethanc@sff.net.au
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Re: Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Victoria

Post by RealNick » 13 Feb 2017, 3:11 pm

Hi Mate,

Good to see some proactive stuff from one of our friendly parties :thumbsup:
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Post by Wylie27 » 13 Feb 2017, 3:31 pm

Wish the SFFP in NSW would proactive on firearm issues.

All I see is how they oppose greyhounds, council mergers, RFS HQ is in the city.

They don't seem to remember what the S means...

I wonder if they will get the same support from these groups as thy have given for firearm issues(if they ever campaign for firearms again)

Robert Borsak and his two amigos are very quiet when you ask that question.
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Post by pete1 » 13 Feb 2017, 4:43 pm

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.
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Post by Gun-nut » 13 Feb 2017, 6:26 pm

pete1 wrote:ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.


I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 13 Feb 2017, 7:44 pm

ok Ethan, in WA those mofos rammed through the 'Adler laws'... with no fanfare neither debate nor consultation....

WHAT will SFFP do to stop this occurring in VIC?
Granted the VIC law requires ACT amendment as opposed to Reg in WA..

I think this response (by the party to the issue not your response per se) will determine where MY vote, and dare i suggest, many other shooters' votes go between SFFP and ON.

Thanks mate
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Post by deye243 » 14 Feb 2017, 1:29 am

as a Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party rep don't go near the vic fishing forum them greens will tar and feather ya :lol:

and yep I'm serious some of them even say they are proud to be payed up green party members and will tell you until they

are blue in the face that they are not anti fishing and will not make any more marine parks .

it makes me ashamed to be in Victoria I tell ya .
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Feb 2017, 8:35 am

deye243 wrote:as a Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party rep don't go near the vic fishing forum them greens will tar and feather ya :lol:

and yep I'm serious some of them even say they are proud to be payed up green party members and will tell you until they

are blue in the face that they are not anti fishing and will not make any more marine parks .

it makes me ashamed to be in Victoria I tell ya .


Same MO as that disgusting Rhiannon in Parliament yesterday;

There are a lot of wrong things going on in this industry, and I would really ask anybody who comes in on this debate to not try and distort the Greens' position to make it seem like we want to shut down guns and not allow anybody to have a gun, even sporting shooters.


That #%^* could not lie straight in bed..... Thats exactly your position, little steps my little commie agitator, little steps...

THEY ALL say that, even the filth Mikac; "I'm not against guns, but....."
whatever.
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Post by Wylie27 » 14 Feb 2017, 8:39 am

I think we scared the SFFP vic representative away.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Feb 2017, 8:53 am

Wylie27 wrote:I think we scared the SFFP vic representative away.


nah, he's working his way through the other 14 forums.... :lol: :thumbsup:
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Post by Wylie27 » 14 Feb 2017, 10:37 am

to be fair he wouldn't be the first person we have scared away? :lol:
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Post by SendIt » 14 Feb 2017, 1:03 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:nah, he's working his way through the other 14 forums.... :lol: :thumbsup:


He'll be back in 2 weeks when it's our turn again :lol:

Good to see some proactive stuff though, I agree.
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Re: Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Victoria

Post by ethanboris » 14 Feb 2017, 4:19 pm

deye243 wrote:as a Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party rep don't go near the vic fishing forum them greens will tar and feather ya :lol:

and yep I'm serious some of them even say they are proud to be payed up green party members and will tell you until they

are blue in the face that they are not anti fishing and will not make any more marine parks .

it makes me ashamed to be in Victoria I tell ya .


I've already made the foray into that forum, needless to say, if you aren't constantly attacked by the government, gun control advocates and even the Australian Medical Association you get complacent and have the blinkers on.

Don't fret, i'm still around, I'm an executive for SFFP VIC so i run our Facebook pages, twitter, work on about 14 forums all while working full time and representing the party at events on weekends. I struggle to find time to pull triggers.

in regards to the Adler, i'm appalled at the WA government pushing the regulation change while in caretaker mode. I would imagine SFFP WA push for a reversal of the change after the election and have it brought into legislation for proper debate. The Victorian government haven't flagged when they intend to push through the firearm act amendments but we will fight it every step of the way
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Feb 2017, 4:28 pm

ethanboris wrote:...........in regards to the Adler, i'm appalled at the WA government pushing the regulation change while in caretaker mode. I would imagine SFFP WA push for a reversal of the change after the election and have it brought into legislation for proper debate. The Victorian government haven't flagged when they intend to push through the firearm act amendments but we will fight it every step of the way


They will just point to the bureau-crazy.... all it took was the department and the head to sign off....
What I find disturbing is that they decided it didnt require a RIS, that recategorising how many thousand HIGHLY controlled items, firearms, was not a significant change or impact....

Mongrels.
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Post by Wylie27 » 14 Feb 2017, 5:26 pm

There are 14 shooting forums?

I can think of
Enoughgun
The over moderated forum
Ahn
The other hunting one
Ummmm others??
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Post by ethanboris » 14 Feb 2017, 5:55 pm

Wylie27 wrote:There are 14 shooting forums?

I can think of
Enoughgun
The over moderated forum
Ahn
The other hunting one
Ummmm others??


not just hunting/shooting/firearms

i peruse 4wd forums. fishing, farming, all manner of different forums

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Post by Hucka » 15 Feb 2017, 12:40 pm

Wylie27 wrote:There are 14 shooting forums?

I can think of
Enoughgun
The over moderated forum
Ahn
The other hunting one
Ummmm others??


One good one is enough ;)

Can't be bothered with a lot of the egos and attitude on the other one or two that are worth mentioning.
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Post by Wylie27 » 15 Feb 2017, 4:50 pm

I may have been banned from one or two of the others.
Mine of them wanted the members to pay for the 3-4 posts a day....

Not naming names though lol
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Post by ethanboris » 15 Feb 2017, 5:18 pm

Hucka wrote:
Can't be bothered with a lot of the egos and attitude on the other one or two that are worth mentioning.



Much like the varied shooting sports, I have to be a neutral voice and not favour any more than the other
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Post by BluEsky » 17 Feb 2017, 1:17 pm

;) Well hi eathanboris its good to see our representative going on to the front foot, ;) you mention the AMA, but just remember if you 'Drain the Swamp'leave some water for the Ducks ! :? :D :oops:

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Post by Wylie27 » 18 Feb 2017, 5:57 pm

Lol I asked the SFFP on Facebook what they are doing about this.

They deleted my post off their page.. they are no better than the greens.
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Post by Wylie27 » 18 Feb 2017, 6:14 pm

Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted
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Post by pete1 » 18 Feb 2017, 6:33 pm

Wylie27 wrote:Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted



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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 18 Feb 2017, 8:55 pm

Wylie27 wrote:Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted


Not sure about the contents of your deleted post, but lets remember the SFFP stated on SBS, that we "didnt need semi-autos" or some such....
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Post by Jandamurra » 19 Feb 2017, 11:48 am

Gun-nut wrote:
pete1 wrote:ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.


I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.


Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by Oldbloke » 19 Feb 2017, 11:56 am

The other two forums arnt moderated enough in IMHO. AHN isn't too bad but the other one is garbage.
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Post by juststarting » 19 Feb 2017, 12:05 pm

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Post by Jandamurra » 19 Feb 2017, 12:10 pm

pete1 wrote:ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.


See this thread-
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7491&start=18.
We might be able to achieve a lot more than just re-categorising cat A/B guns.
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Post by deye243 » 19 Feb 2017, 5:25 pm

Oldbloke wrote:The other two forums arnt moderated enough in IMHO. AHN isn't too bad but the other one is garbage.


the thing that makes AHN as good as it is is that the members there are a funny pack of buggers and the

fact that the mods keep their nose's out of it unless it's a personal attack and then they step in and deal

with it .

what was the other one you can pm me if you don't want to say in open forum .
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Post by Wylie27 » 20 Feb 2017, 6:02 am

Lol still nothing.. too busy on those farmer forums and the greyhound is good forums.

Maybe we need a party of our own.

Let's call it the Shooters Party.
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