Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Victoria

[ethanboris]

Fellas, iI can't be everywhere at once and as much as I would like to be here answering your questions. I do have a real life and real life matters must be attended to with priority over all others i hope you understand.

I'll get started with replies to questions

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Unfortunatley the Police Commissioner has a lot of power in relation to firearms legislation and can recategorise all manner of "dangerous things" as weapons. Body armor is considered a weapon in Victoria. WA has changed their Firearms act in regulations, therefore bypassing government process and giving SFFP WA a chance to fight, but they will continue to fight it once their election is done. How the WA govt got away with changing the regulations in Caretaker mode would've been a matter of timing with Government gazette issue.

Ok then mate, the NFA 2017 has been released, how is the party going to respond here in Vic?
As a paid up party member i want to know how our representatives are going fight the introduction of 28 day wait on "ALL" permits to aquire? And there being limits to how many rounds i'm allowed to buy?

Our Parliamentary Staff (all 2 of them) including Jeff and Daniel are looking into responses to the NFA and determining the changes to the Victorian Firearms ACT that would need to occur. Rest assured we are going to fight this tooth and nail.

Lol I asked the SFFP on Facebook what they are doing about this.

They deleted my post off their page.. they are no better than the greens.

Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted

I can assure you that it wasn't our page that did that (I would've seen it) Must have been the SFFP NSW main page. Greyhounds are a NSW thing and it's up to SFFP NSW to negotiate support from the industry on the matter of the NFA. Here in Victoria we're garnering support from forestry, Dogs Victoria and other related industries in supporting SFFP VIC.

I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??

because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...

I fully support for a return of semi-automatic rifles, earlier last year Jeff Bourman MP called the government for semi-auto 22's be placed in a lower category than "C". It was met with government silence as usual.

I can tell you what the LDP policy will be!
I'm a SFFP member, but since they haven't run a candidate in my area over the last couple of elections (state of fed) so i campaigned, handed out how to vote cards and stuff for the 'Australian country party' and more recently the 'LDP'.
If SFFP won't stand up and be vocal maybe my money would be better off going LionTamers way.
I ditched the SSAA for the same reason

We run candidates where we know we can have a good chance of reasonable success, we don't have a lot of money and we need to spend smartly. Which electorate do you live in so I can get a better take of your situation. It saddens me that you decided to volunteer for other parties.

Genesis your probably right, a bit harsh, but given I was banned from viewing the SFFP page and no longer able to communicate with one of its MP's you can understand my frustration.

What is worse, I was not rude, abrupt or antagonistic. I asked the same 3 questions.

Is the SFFP receiving the same level of support from the greyhound industry and council merger groups for firearm related legislation?

Can the SFFP be a little more vocal and communicate to shooters what they are doing with firearm related issues

Is there a response from SFFP regarding the NFA and what does it mean for shooters.

For those questions I got banned and blocked. That sounds like the action of the greens.

Look at the boiler plate system of the SFFP, please note where the outdoor sports part is.. last, that's right peeps there mission statement has shooting last.. these are the goals the party works on. We are now last in their minds..

There is no political party in Australia that stands for shooters at all anymore. LDP will sell you out to fund his drug programs...

One nation, nope they want to keep the status quo.

One issue I will re-iterate is not all firearm owners will not vote for us, there are a myriad of reasons why. So for us to have the best chance of political success we need to branch out and find other avenues of support where we can, we're lucky to have 2 MP in parliament who can do just that. Not only are we supporting dog/cat/bird breeders from overarching legislation here in Victoria; we are pushing the forestry issue very hard and are vehemently opposed the the Great Forest National Park. We have been given an opportunity to show what SFFP can really achieve and if that means that we aren't as vocal on firearm issues as some of you would like i'm sorry. SFFP has achieved more for firearm owners than most of the lobby/representative orgs out there and it's because we have a seat at the table with government and we make sure they don't forget it

[Gun-nut]

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

[<<Genesis93>>]

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

The Greens, and greens aligned.... and the leftist progressives generally... NEVER. NEVER. give up.

The Fabian society (Socialist Party cloaked as a semi-respectable policy talk fest outfit) HAD an emblem comprising literally a Wolf in Sheep's clothing.....their HQ in London still had the stained glass window, Their local arm HAD that one as well.... but when the non-thinking drones actually think about what theyre looking at; they start to QUESTION 'things'....... so they changes their emblem to.... a Turtle, pretty sure before that it was a Snail...... =slow moving.

And that is how they work.... move very slowly.... chipping away.... never give up....get their eventually [unless of course they're prevented].

[ethanboris]

My state electorate is polworth, federal is carangomite.
Don't be sad, if SFFP are not running in my area I'm gunna support whoever locally will fight for us.

Luckily we have started our Geelong branch to keep in touch with the region find them here: http://www.facebook.com/SFFGeelong/?fref=ts

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

We tried to pass a motion in the parliament late last year that would've held a moratorium on all new national parks for a period of 5 years, we lost the motion 19-19 in the upper house

[duncan61]

Will be helping out in W.A, with SFFP north ward.We will get access to state managed forests for pest control.We will be moderating the sound on our high power rifles and We will get to go fishing in water supply dams.I hope I am still alive to see this happen

[<<Genesis93>>]

My state electorate is polworth, federal is carangomite.
Don't be sad, if SFFP are not running in my area I'm gunna support whoever locally will fight for us.

Luckily we have started our Geelong branch to keep in touch with the region find them here: http://www.facebook.com/SFFGeelong/?fref=ts

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

We tried to pass a motion in the parliament late last year that would've held a moratorium on all new national parks for a period of 5 years, we lost the motion 19-19 in the upper house

What date was that vote?I'll search out the names, no doubt a Greens/Lab conspiratorial vote to lock not only shooters out of a massive area....despicable ....

[ethanboris]

hansard starting from page 6541 http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images ... ook_19.pdf


it's pretty heavy reading and you should be able to tell who the greens mp's are the vote is at the end

I must re-iterate that this vote was to have a moratorium on ALL new national parks in Victoria, not on the GFNP itself which is still a point of contention and waiting on the Forestry industry taskforce (useless piece of time wasting bureaucracy) to sort it's s**t out

[<<Genesis93>>]

hansard starting from page 6541 http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images ... ook_19.pdf


it's pretty heavy reading and you should be able to tell who the greens mp's are the vote is at the end

You mean with them big words? I'll do my best....

That Dunn, makes my skin crawl, I dislike her and her ideologies immensely... and I KNOW that the treasonous specimen was 'inserted' into the parliament with the objective of getting the GFNP locked up for her 'kind'.....I skimmed through and noticed her interjections (I'll return to read through some time)....


The vote looks predictably like the Labs+Greens were the dissenters......


Their nonsense is built on lies.... I live in the Cauldren of Green-land communist control out in the east and we have been blighted by green control for too long....(as of the October election we again have a enviro/green controlled council whether or not paid up green members) we have many many ridiculous planning controls and overlays, including (of course) landscape controls covering FLORA and FAUNA.... I was skeptical about a particular ZOOLOGICAL control so I sourced the original reference document from the 1970's issued by the state government...(actually buried away in the dusty corner of a Uni basement in Melbourne)..not surprisingly the survey, description and location of the species identified had no relevance to the current placement of the ZOO' controls....

Move ahead to current - the Council is pushing for flora and Fauna control on our property, they have identified Fauna for which they seek to place bio corridors through our place..... I asked them for the species, types, numbers and dates identified as justification - nothing so far. I may contact our upper house reps in the near future about this, there are other landscape controls they're seeking, they absolutely unjustifiable and span the WHOLE of the GW zone (thats a lot of additional controls)....

Apart from my rant, expect Dunn's 'old mob' to issue formal support AGAIN for the GFNP...

[Jandamurra]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.

[Gun-nut]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.

I honestly couldn't agree more, we need to ramp up the pressure on the anti's, show em what we're made of!

[Jandamurra]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.

I honestly couldn't agree more, we need to ramp up the pressure on the anti's, show em what we're made of!

Thanks for your support Gun Nut.
I'm still waiting for a reply from Ethan. I'm sure he has it on the back burner.
He has said that the crossbow ban was effectively introduced by the Victorian Police Commissi9oner at the time. However, Parliament still had to pass put the ban into effect and I sincerely hope police commissioners across the country aren't our secret unelected dictators who get to tell parliaments what to do.
Also the ban or move to register crossbows happened in SA and NSW at the same time, so it is not logical to put the change down to one police commissioner in one state.

[ethanboris]

Hi everyone I have made inquiries into the crossbow issue but we have been inundated with stuff surrounding the fracking ban here in Victoria and as a consequence our MP's are taking priority with this issue.
Late last year Jeff Bourman made calls to allow the deregulation of OC spray and tazers for citizens who feel the need to use it in self defense. But obviously government says they won't support it because of police opinion.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/shoot ... sssj5.html
Early 2015 when an admin bungle saw some cat C license holders needing to reinforce their claim for their cat C license we called on government to consider combining cat B+C licenses but again got no response from government
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/p ... 719b44c3ec

with the sad fact that parliament sits on 3 days every fortnight it gives us very little time to speak on the floor so i can assure you we are pushing the agenda but also have to deal with the government agenda, opposition agenda and anything else that comes up such as Heyfield, fracking and the whole forestry issue.

[Jandamurra]

Hi everyone I have made inquiries into the crossbow issue but we have been inundated with stuff surrounding the fracking ban here in Victoria and as a consequence our MP's are taking priority with this issue.
Late last year Jeff Bourman made calls to allow the deregulation of OC spray and tazers for citizens who feel the need to use it in self defense. But obviously government says they won't support it because of police opinion.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/shoot ... sssj5.html
Early 2015 when an admin bungle saw some cat C license holders needing to reinforce their claim for their cat C license we called on government to consider combining cat B+C licenses but again got no response from government
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/p ... 719b44c3ec

with the sad fact that parliament sits on 3 days every fortnight it gives us very little time to speak on the floor so i can assure you we are pushing the agenda but also have to deal with the government agenda, opposition agenda and anything else that comes up such as Heyfield, fracking and the whole forestry issue.

Thanks for your reply.
You get what I'm saying with crossbows, I'm sure. When the ban was implemented in a few states more or less at once, that isn't indicative of one Police Commissioner in one state getting in a tizz about them. It is indicative, though, of a coordinated agenda.
Glad to hear Jeff Bourman has been making some noise about deregulating OC spray and tasers.
I'm actually on the Greens' side when it comes to fracking. I have it on the authority of someone with connection in the oil industry that there are 11 plugs of natural gas in Bass Strait alone, which apparently is enough to mean it will be hundreds of years before we run out of oil. My contact says that oil is in similar abundance.
Why use technology that could pollute the water table when we have the much safer offshore option?
It's all about artificial scarcity and though I'm glad the SFFP rejects the global warming nonsense, I disagree with fracking.

[Jandamurra]

cont. My mate says the natural gas used at Uluru for the tourist industry is also enough to keep us going for centuries and is only a few dozen metres below ground, or even less in some places.
I find it really disappointing that the SFFP is on the fracking bandwagon. Not that I'd ever vote for the Greens but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Jandamurra]

Ethan Constantinou appears to be MIA.
Someone needs to call Rambo to get him out of wherever he is.

[Wylie27]

Or maybe no erection at the moment

[juststarting]

Did someone say erection?



Soz, Bentaz, your sis again...

[Gun-nut]

Did someone say erection?



Soz, Bentaz, your sis again...

Wait a minute, I've seen that woman before...

[Wylie27]

Damn you Siri.. why would you change it to erection! Lol

[ethanboris]

I find it really disappointing that the SFFP is on the fracking bandwagon. Not that I'd ever vote for the Greens but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

We supported the ban on fracking, we also flagged amendments to the Victorian legislation that lifted the 5 year moratorium on conventional gas and wanted a clause that gave the landholder veto rights over their land

SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?

The NFA is an aggreement between the states that they will follow the general line. We haven't seen any proposed legislation to amend the Firearms Act come before Parliament yet. We will fight it when it does come up

Ethan Constantinou appears to be MIA.
Someone needs to call Rambo to get him out of wherever he is.

We have been busy finalizing our branches prior to our AGM which is coming up.

[juststarting]

SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?

The NFA is an aggreement between the states that they will follow the general line. We haven't seen any proposed legislation to amend the Firearms Act come before Parliament yet. We will fight it when it does come up.

Ethan, do you think this exact relaxed attitude, at leats to me - demonstrating lack of teeth and foresight on behalf of SFFP, is what makes people here vote LDP and OneNation? Consider this, when people vote for a firearms friendly party, they are voting for that policy and that policy alone. All your other initiatives are not unique. For example, regardless whether I agree or disagree with OneNation, frankly I don't care about any other policies. Only those that let me enjoy my firearms. Your response just pushed me a little further that way.

We are not stupid. If you haven't touched on NFA by now, which you should have, because that's in your freaking party name! Then say that. Deflecting with what you thought was an elegant response is an insult. Especially from SFFP.

I would have thought that time to act is now, early, to signal position. Strike the iron while it's hot, if you will. Or what - you guys can't get an article into every major newspapers, big guy abusing the battler? Slow errosin of democracy, when police makes the laws? I'd read that headline. Seriously? You got nothing?

Strategically speaking, sending a clear signal early demonstrates that you will show aggression later. Which is not in anyone's best interest and would make all parties involved think twice about making LAFOs into scapegoat or the red herring if you will.

I'd like to understand why SFFP wasn't and isn't the loudest voice right now, protesting the NFA?

p.s.
I am just asking questions, but you're playing for votes... No more insulting deflections please.

[<<Genesis93>>]

SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?

The NFA is an aggreement between the states that they will follow the general line. We haven't seen any proposed legislation to amend the Firearms Act come before Parliament yet. We will fight it when it does come up

I think its fair to say, this has been a work in progress for, what, 2 or 3 years now.... across the country, across the police force(s)... to suggest there is no draft in EXISTENCE is just not realistic - Ethan, your guys HAVE to get the documents, BEFORE they land in Parliament for a reading.... it would THEN be well past too late, as we know, the ONLY 2 subjects those so-and-sos agree on, that is, the Reds and the Blues, is 1) THEIR OWN REMUNERATION and 2) GUN CONTROL......... it will be read/read/read....... before the commendable duo of Jeff and Daniel can say "Adler"....

We (more so the 2 reps?) have a right to know what is being 'decided' for us...drafted etc, dont we have a consultative committee and process????

Ethan Constantinou appears to be MIA.
Someone needs to call Rambo to get him out of wherever he is.

We have been busy finalizing our branches prior to our AGM which is coming up.

What exactly is being finalised? pre-selections? budgets?

[Gun-nut]

I agree with the others, isn't it time we played offense instead of defense for once?

[juststarting]

Also the only party (LDP) that's actually has media training where members don't s**t the bed on national TV.

[Jandamurra]

I find it really disappointing that the SFFP is on the fracking bandwagon. Not that I'd ever vote for the Greens but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

We supported the ban on fracking, we also flagged amendments to the Victorian legislation that lifted the 5 year moratorium on conventional gas and wanted a clause that gave the landholder veto rights over their land

SO STILL NO STANCE ON THE NFA THEN?

The NFA is an aggreement between the states that they will follow the general line. We haven't seen any proposed legislation to amend the Firearms Act come before Parliament yet. We will fight it when it does come up

Ethan Constantinou appears to be MIA.
Someone needs to call Rambo to get him out of wherever he is.

We have been busy finalizing our branches prior to our AGM which is coming up.

Thanks for getting back to me.
To confirm, the stance of the SFFP is unequivocally against fracking, is that correct?
Concerning the 2017 NFA, there appears to be a plan to introduce ammunition rationing. Does the SFFP have any strategies to combat this?
What about the buzz about a national gun registry? Gillard wanted to do it, but the idea quietly fizzled out. I have heard it would be unconstitutional because sn 51 of the Constitution Act doesn't give the Federal Government authority over State firearm laws. Even Howard didn't dare bring in a national firearms registry. I assume the time wasn't right and that there was enough for him to do as it was. Two decades later, with the Constitution even more of a dead letter now, maybe they regard it as opportune to try again.
I hope I have some awareness of the need to refrain from discussing plans in too much detail, but I feel it's fair to want some sort of idea from the SFFP on ammunition rationing and the proposed national firearms registry.
Lastly, about crossbows. I hate to be tedious about this, but when several states move to ban or require registration for crossbows, as they did in 2012, it couldn't possibly have been simply that one police commissioner in one state decided they were a bad idea. This would only explain a ban in one single state, and it also doesn't explain why an unelected person should have the ability to introduce such a ban.