Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Victoria

[ethanboris]

Can't be bothered with a lot of the egos and attitude on the other one or two that are worth mentioning.

Much like the varied shooting sports, I have to be a neutral voice and not favour any more than the other

[BluEsky]

Well hi eathanboris its good to see our representative going on to the front foot, you mention the AMA, but just remember if you 'Drain the Swamp'leave some water for the Ducks !

[Wylie27]

Lol I asked the SFFP on Facebook what they are doing about this.

They deleted my post off their page.. they are no better than the greens.

[Wylie27]

Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted

[pete1]

Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted

[<<Genesis93>>]

Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted

Not sure about the contents of your deleted post, but lets remember the SFFP stated on SBS, that we "didnt need semi-autos" or some such....

[Jandamurra]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

[Oldbloke]

The other two forums arnt moderated enough in IMHO. AHN isn't too bad but the other one is garbage.

[juststarting]

Ethanboris, anything?

[Jandamurra]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

See this thread-
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7491&start=18.
We might be able to achieve a lot more than just re-categorising cat A/B guns.

[deye243]

The other two forums arnt moderated enough in IMHO. AHN isn't too bad but the other one is garbage.

the thing that makes AHN as good as it is is that the members there are a funny pack of buggers and the

fact that the mods keep their nose's out of it unless it's a personal attack and then they step in and deal

with it .

what was the other one you can pm me if you don't want to say in open forum .

[Blackened]

Lol still nothing.. too busy on those farmer forums and the greyhound is good forums.

Maybe we need a party of our own.

Let's call it the Shooters Party.

[<<Genesis93>>]

I dont think its necessary to say that.... I't can only be a positive to have a SFFP rep coming on here answering our questions, but he needs to commit to coming on regularly, not just from time to time...Ethan....

I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??

because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...

[deye243]

I dont think its necessary to say that.... I't can only be a positive to have a SFFP rep coming on here answering our questions, but he needs to commit to coming on regularly, not just from time to time...Ethan....

I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??

because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...

yep I want my semi 742 woodsmaster 30-06 and my 1022 back

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[Wylie27]

Genesis your probably right, a bit harsh, but given I was banned from viewing the SFFP page and no longer able to communicate with one of its MP's you can understand my frustration.

What is worse, I was not rude, abrupt or antagonistic. I asked the same 3 questions.

Is the SFFP receiving the same level of support from the greyhound industry and council merger groups for firearm related legislation?

Can the SFFP be a little more vocal and communicate to shooters what they are doing with firearm related issues

Is there a response from SFFP regarding the NFA and what does it mean for shooters.

For those questions I got banned and blocked. That sounds like the action of the greens.

Look at the boiler plate system of the SFFP, please note where the outdoor sports part is.. last, that's right peeps there mission statement has shooting last.. these are the goals the party works on. We are now last in their minds..

There is no political party in Australia that stands for shooters at all anymore. LDP will sell you out to fund his drug programs...

One nation, nope they want to keep the status quo.

[deye243]

yep around here you wouldn't even know they existed and I live on the largest inland lakes system in the southern hemisphere

and some of the best sambar country to boot east Gippsland .

[bones-350]

I'm from S.A. and heard that in Victoria vour Police are forbidden to participate in car pursuits.
So if one wants to copy the Bourke st incident they can do so without fear of Police intervening.
I wonder if the story would be the same if there was a firearm in the car.
Something wrong in Victoria free to use a car for mass murder but not a firearm.
Mass murder by any means is mass murder.
The laws in Victoria need a serious overhaul if that's the case.

[deye243]

yep I hear it on the radio all the time and the crooks know it to , all they have to do is drive on the wrong side of the road in a 60 zone at 80 and the

pursuit controller (and he or she can be 200 k away ) terminates the pursuit . its a bloody joke .

[ethanboris]

Fellas, iI can't be everywhere at once and as much as I would like to be here answering your questions. I do have a real life and real life matters must be attended to with priority over all others i hope you understand.

I'll get started with replies to questions

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Unfortunatley the Police Commissioner has a lot of power in relation to firearms legislation and can recategorise all manner of "dangerous things" as weapons. Body armor is considered a weapon in Victoria. WA has changed their Firearms act in regulations, therefore bypassing government process and giving SFFP WA a chance to fight, but they will continue to fight it once their election is done. How the WA govt got away with changing the regulations in Caretaker mode would've been a matter of timing with Government gazette issue.

Ok then mate, the NFA 2017 has been released, how is the party going to respond here in Vic?
As a paid up party member i want to know how our representatives are going fight the introduction of 28 day wait on "ALL" permits to aquire? And there being limits to how many rounds i'm allowed to buy?

Our Parliamentary Staff (all 2 of them) including Jeff and Daniel are looking into responses to the NFA and determining the changes to the Victorian Firearms ACT that would need to occur. Rest assured we are going to fight this tooth and nail.

Lol I asked the SFFP on Facebook what they are doing about this.

They deleted my post off their page.. they are no better than the greens.

Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..

It got deleted

I can assure you that it wasn't our page that did that (I would've seen it) Must have been the SFFP NSW main page. Greyhounds are a NSW thing and it's up to SFFP NSW to negotiate support from the industry on the matter of the NFA. Here in Victoria we're garnering support from forestry, Dogs Victoria and other related industries in supporting SFFP VIC.

I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??

because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...

I fully support for a return of semi-automatic rifles, earlier last year Jeff Bourman MP called the government for semi-auto 22's be placed in a lower category than "C". It was met with government silence as usual.

I can tell you what the LDP policy will be!
I'm a SFFP member, but since they haven't run a candidate in my area over the last couple of elections (state of fed) so i campaigned, handed out how to vote cards and stuff for the 'Australian country party' and more recently the 'LDP'.
If SFFP won't stand up and be vocal maybe my money would be better off going LionTamers way.
I ditched the SSAA for the same reason

We run candidates where we know we can have a good chance of reasonable success, we don't have a lot of money and we need to spend smartly. Which electorate do you live in so I can get a better take of your situation. It saddens me that you decided to volunteer for other parties.

Genesis your probably right, a bit harsh, but given I was banned from viewing the SFFP page and no longer able to communicate with one of its MP's you can understand my frustration.

What is worse, I was not rude, abrupt or antagonistic. I asked the same 3 questions.

Is the SFFP receiving the same level of support from the greyhound industry and council merger groups for firearm related legislation?

Can the SFFP be a little more vocal and communicate to shooters what they are doing with firearm related issues

Is there a response from SFFP regarding the NFA and what does it mean for shooters.

For those questions I got banned and blocked. That sounds like the action of the greens.

Look at the boiler plate system of the SFFP, please note where the outdoor sports part is.. last, that's right peeps there mission statement has shooting last.. these are the goals the party works on. We are now last in their minds..

There is no political party in Australia that stands for shooters at all anymore. LDP will sell you out to fund his drug programs...

One nation, nope they want to keep the status quo.

One issue I will re-iterate is not all firearm owners will not vote for us, there are a myriad of reasons why. So for us to have the best chance of political success we need to branch out and find other avenues of support where we can, we're lucky to have 2 MP in parliament who can do just that. Not only are we supporting dog/cat/bird breeders from overarching legislation here in Victoria; we are pushing the forestry issue very hard and are vehemently opposed the the Great Forest National Park. We have been given an opportunity to show what SFFP can really achieve and if that means that we aren't as vocal on firearm issues as some of you would like i'm sorry. SFFP has achieved more for firearm owners than most of the lobby/representative orgs out there and it's because we have a seat at the table with government and we make sure they don't forget it

[Gun-nut]

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

[<<Genesis93>>]

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

The Greens, and greens aligned.... and the leftist progressives generally... NEVER. NEVER. give up.

The Fabian society (Socialist Party cloaked as a semi-respectable policy talk fest outfit) HAD an emblem comprising literally a Wolf in Sheep's clothing.....their HQ in London still had the stained glass window, Their local arm HAD that one as well.... but when the non-thinking drones actually think about what theyre looking at; they start to QUESTION 'things'....... so they changes their emblem to.... a Turtle, pretty sure before that it was a Snail...... =slow moving.

And that is how they work.... move very slowly.... chipping away.... never give up....get their eventually [unless of course they're prevented].

[ethanboris]

My state electorate is polworth, federal is carangomite.
Don't be sad, if SFFP are not running in my area I'm gunna support whoever locally will fight for us.

Luckily we have started our Geelong branch to keep in touch with the region find them here: http://www.facebook.com/SFFGeelong/?fref=ts

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

We tried to pass a motion in the parliament late last year that would've held a moratorium on all new national parks for a period of 5 years, we lost the motion 19-19 in the upper house

[duncan61]

Will be helping out in W.A, with SFFP north ward.We will get access to state managed forests for pest control.We will be moderating the sound on our high power rifles and We will get to go fishing in water supply dams.I hope I am still alive to see this happen

[<<Genesis93>>]

My state electorate is polworth, federal is carangomite.
Don't be sad, if SFFP are not running in my area I'm gunna support whoever locally will fight for us.

Luckily we have started our Geelong branch to keep in touch with the region find them here: http://www.facebook.com/SFFGeelong/?fref=ts

What's the latest on the Great Forest National Park? Wasn't that blown out of the water a couple of months ago?

We tried to pass a motion in the parliament late last year that would've held a moratorium on all new national parks for a period of 5 years, we lost the motion 19-19 in the upper house

What date was that vote?I'll search out the names, no doubt a Greens/Lab conspiratorial vote to lock not only shooters out of a massive area....despicable ....

[ethanboris]

hansard starting from page 6541 http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images ... ook_19.pdf


it's pretty heavy reading and you should be able to tell who the greens mp's are the vote is at the end

I must re-iterate that this vote was to have a moratorium on ALL new national parks in Victoria, not on the GFNP itself which is still a point of contention and waiting on the Forestry industry taskforce (useless piece of time wasting bureaucracy) to sort it's s**t out

[<<Genesis93>>]

hansard starting from page 6541 http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images ... ook_19.pdf


it's pretty heavy reading and you should be able to tell who the greens mp's are the vote is at the end

You mean with them big words? I'll do my best....

That Dunn, makes my skin crawl, I dislike her and her ideologies immensely... and I KNOW that the treasonous specimen was 'inserted' into the parliament with the objective of getting the GFNP locked up for her 'kind'.....I skimmed through and noticed her interjections (I'll return to read through some time)....


The vote looks predictably like the Labs+Greens were the dissenters......


Their nonsense is built on lies.... I live in the Cauldren of Green-land communist control out in the east and we have been blighted by green control for too long....(as of the October election we again have a enviro/green controlled council whether or not paid up green members) we have many many ridiculous planning controls and overlays, including (of course) landscape controls covering FLORA and FAUNA.... I was skeptical about a particular ZOOLOGICAL control so I sourced the original reference document from the 1970's issued by the state government...(actually buried away in the dusty corner of a Uni basement in Melbourne)..not surprisingly the survey, description and location of the species identified had no relevance to the current placement of the ZOO' controls....

Move ahead to current - the Council is pushing for flora and Fauna control on our property, they have identified Fauna for which they seek to place bio corridors through our place..... I asked them for the species, types, numbers and dates identified as justification - nothing so far. I may contact our upper house reps in the near future about this, there are other landscape controls they're seeking, they absolutely unjustifiable and span the WHOLE of the GW zone (thats a lot of additional controls)....

Apart from my rant, expect Dunn's 'old mob' to issue formal support AGAIN for the GFNP...

[Jandamurra]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.

[Gun-nut]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.

I honestly couldn't agree more, we need to ramp up the pressure on the anti's, show em what we're made of!

[Jandamurra]

ethanboris welcome to the forum, pretty good here lots of discussion on various topics.

I'll put my concerns:
Don't want stricter gun laws and regulation.
Maybe one day be able to have a pump action and semi auto .22LR on CAT A/B

Sure most could agree.

I agree, but most importantly is that we remove the basis for further gun control...the firearms registry. This should be of the utmost importance. Then once its been removed, we gain our semi's back.

Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.

Ethan-
Thanks for including me in your reply of 21/2.
I realise you have to fight on many fronts, but if you are, it logically follows that the enemy is having to do so as well.
You or someone else in your party only has to briefly mention unbanning crossbows, pepper spray, mace or deregistering paintball guns or perhaps low-powered air rifles. It would send a message that these things have not entirely been forgotten about. All it would take would be a brief sound bite for the media to cover it, most likely in a hysterical fashion, but it's still publicity and IMHO it won't be a vote loser. The kinds of people who'd be freaked out about it won't vote for you anyway.
If the excessive powers of the Police Commissioner are a major stumbling block, then bring that up. I can't see any reason why this can't be brought up as something to be reviewed.
For me, the most disturbing and discouraging thing about developments in gun and weapons laws in Australia, is that nothing has been unbanned or deregistered, not even paintball guns. Absolutely nothing.
Robert Borsak was saying how he'd like to deregister low-powered air rifles but that was a few year ago now. Nothing has happened to fulfil that very modest proposal.

I honestly couldn't agree more, we need to ramp up the pressure on the anti's, show em what we're made of!

Thanks for your support Gun Nut.
I'm still waiting for a reply from Ethan. I'm sure he has it on the back burner.
He has said that the crossbow ban was effectively introduced by the Victorian Police Commissi9oner at the time. However, Parliament still had to pass put the ban into effect and I sincerely hope police commissioners across the country aren't our secret unelected dictators who get to tell parliaments what to do.
Also the ban or move to register crossbows happened in SA and NSW at the same time, so it is not logical to put the change down to one police commissioner in one state.

[ethanboris]

Hi everyone I have made inquiries into the crossbow issue but we have been inundated with stuff surrounding the fracking ban here in Victoria and as a consequence our MP's are taking priority with this issue.
Late last year Jeff Bourman made calls to allow the deregulation of OC spray and tazers for citizens who feel the need to use it in self defense. But obviously government says they won't support it because of police opinion.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/shoot ... sssj5.html
Early 2015 when an admin bungle saw some cat C license holders needing to reinforce their claim for their cat C license we called on government to consider combining cat B+C licenses but again got no response from government
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/p ... 719b44c3ec

with the sad fact that parliament sits on 3 days every fortnight it gives us very little time to speak on the floor so i can assure you we are pushing the agenda but also have to deal with the government agenda, opposition agenda and anything else that comes up such as Heyfield, fracking and the whole forestry issue.