I'll get started with replies to questions
Jandamurra wrote:Couldn't agree more.
I wonder of we can have confirmation from our SFFP friend here that their official policy is to remove the firearms registry for Cat A/B firearms. This is insufficient long-term but would be an excellent start.
I also would like the SFFP and the Lib Dems to remember a few other things as well. Until 2012 it was possible to walk into a shop and buy a full-sized "rifle" type crossbow in NSW, Victoria and South Australia without a license or registration. The governments in those States arrogantly and groundlessly removed that right. Now you'll be fined $10, 000 and be ineligible for a firearms licence for ten year if you're caught with a crossbow. That's well on the way to a police state as far as I'm concerned.
In Canada and NZ, two countries with a very similar heritage to Australia, crossbows are pretty much nothing. In the UK, too, of all places, both full-sized and pistol crossbows are available with no license or rego. It surprises me given how bad things are over there, but it just means things over here are a whole lot worse.
There is nothing that illustrates better the way governments here do things because they can, than what they have done with crossbows.. I also have a pet theory that shooters organisations were glad to see banning or licensing/ registration brought in across Australia. People who might have bought a crossbow now are forced into buying a gun.
Conversely, a reversal of the present situation regarding crossbows would be both a symbolic and a tangible victory. It would be a sign that other things could also be turned around. What could be said about full-sized crossbows could also be said about other things that need to be unbanned, and represent "low-hanging fruit"-pistol-sized crossbows, slingshots, pocket bows, tasers and pepper spray.
Wouldn't it be great if there was some rollback on this? Think about it. For around 16 years after the NFA was introduced, crossbows were left alone.
We should absolutely not let sleeping dogs lie.
Unfortunatley the Police Commissioner has a lot of power in relation to firearms legislation and can recategorise all manner of "dangerous things" as weapons. Body armor is considered a weapon in Victoria. WA has changed their Firearms act in regulations, therefore bypassing government process and giving SFFP WA a chance to fight, but they will continue to fight it once their election is done. How the WA govt got away with changing the regulations in Caretaker mode would've been a matter of timing with Government gazette issue.
bentaz wrote:Ok then mate, the NFA 2017 has been released, how is the party going to respond here in Vic?
As a paid up party member i want to know how our representatives are going fight the introduction of 28 day wait on "ALL" permits to aquire? And there being limits to how many rounds i'm allowed to buy?
Our Parliamentary Staff (all 2 of them) including Jeff and Daniel are looking into responses to the NFA and determining the changes to the Victorian Firearms ACT that would need to occur. Rest assured we are going to fight this tooth and nail.
Wylie27 wrote:Lol I asked the SFFP on Facebook what they are doing about this.
They deleted my post off their page.. they are no better than the greens.
Yes I am serious, their was some sarcasm in my post... I highlighted the NFA is out, gave them the link and asked if they greyhound industry is supporting them like they had..
It got deleted
I can assure you that it wasn't our page that did that (I would've seen it) Must have been the SFFP NSW main page. Greyhounds are a NSW thing and it's up to SFFP NSW to negotiate support from the industry on the matter of the NFA. Here in Victoria we're garnering support from forestry, Dogs Victoria and other related industries in supporting SFFP VIC.
<<Genesis93>> wrote:
I would like to hear your (SFFP) position on semi autos?? was the "we dont need semis" a personal or party line....??
because I can tell you, there are 2 kinds of LAFOs, those who agree with the 96 (and now '17) NFA and removal of semis (22s, 12gs and centrefire) and those who DON'T.... and i have a suspicion that the later group is in the majority...
I fully support for a return of semi-automatic rifles, earlier last year Jeff Bourman MP called the government for semi-auto 22's be placed in a lower category than "C". It was met with government silence as usual.
bentaz wrote:
I can tell you what the LDP policy will be!
I'm a SFFP member, but since they haven't run a candidate in my area over the last couple of elections (state of fed) so i campaigned, handed out how to vote cards and stuff for the 'Australian country party' and more recently the 'LDP'.
If SFFP won't stand up and be vocal maybe my money would be better off going LionTamers way.
I ditched the SSAA for the same reason
We run candidates where we know we can have a good chance of reasonable success, we don't have a lot of money and we need to spend smartly. Which electorate do you live in so I can get a better take of your situation. It saddens me that you decided to volunteer for other parties.
Wylie27 wrote:Genesis your probably right, a bit harsh, but given I was banned from viewing the SFFP page and no longer able to communicate with one of its MP's you can understand my frustration.
What is worse, I was not rude, abrupt or antagonistic. I asked the same 3 questions.
Is the SFFP receiving the same level of support from the greyhound industry and council merger groups for firearm related legislation?
Can the SFFP be a little more vocal and communicate to shooters what they are doing with firearm related issues
Is there a response from SFFP regarding the NFA and what does it mean for shooters.
For those questions I got banned and blocked. That sounds like the action of the greens.
Look at the boiler plate system of the SFFP, please note where the outdoor sports part is.. last, that's right peeps there mission statement has shooting last.. these are the goals the party works on. We are now last in their minds..
There is no political party in Australia that stands for shooters at all anymore. LDP will sell you out to fund his drug programs...
One nation, nope they want to keep the status quo.
One issue I will re-iterate is not all firearm owners will not vote for us, there are a myriad of reasons why. So for us to have the best chance of political success we need to branch out and find other avenues of support where we can, we're lucky to have 2 MP in parliament who can do just that. Not only are we supporting dog/cat/bird breeders from overarching legislation here in Victoria; we are pushing the forestry issue very hard and are vehemently opposed the the Great Forest National Park. We have been given an opportunity to show what SFFP can really achieve and if that means that we aren't as vocal on firearm issues as some of you would like i'm sorry. SFFP has achieved more for firearm owners than most of the lobby/representative orgs out there and it's because we have a seat at the table with government and we make sure they don't forget it