sound moderating

[RoginaJack]

Note. Sound moderators are permitted in N.Z.

AND permits are also held by the National Parks. If the N.P. use these under W.P.H.& S. issues, why can't sporting shooters?

[duncan61]

We have the ability to make one eg machine shop.I may build and fit one test it then request a permit to make and fit sound moderators

[bladeracer]

Note. Sound moderators are permitted in N.Z.

AND permits are also held by the National Parks. If the N.P. use these under W.P.H.& S. issues, why can't sporting shooters?

Are they used for employee health reasons though?
The Police use health and safety as their excuse for us not being allowed firearms.

[duncan61]

I see its on the list of things the W.A. SFFP are campaigning for

[bladeracer]

We have the ability to make one eg machine shop.I may build and fit one test it then request a permit to make and fit sound moderators

There is a mob in SA I think that manufacture suppressors already. I can't see much of a market under our current regime though.
I would definitely _not_ build a suppressor before getting a permit to do so, and I would think you would require a dealer licence to do so anyway.
Possession of a suppressor is illegal, whether you buy it or make it.

[Title_II]

Don't try to sell them to us, we are all stocked up and they move slow. The more the merrier, but I don't want you to enter such a competitive market. Consider NZ, Europe, etc.

[duncan61]

hi bladeracer could you point me in the right direction where this law is

[bladeracer]

hi bladeracer could you point me in the right direction where this law is

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_act/fa1973102/s23.html

Three years for possession, seven years for actually using a suppressor.

17B lists exceptions for suppressor use:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_act/fa1973102/s17b.html

[bladeracer]

I don't know if we have "constructive possession" laws here though, where possession of parts that would allow construction of a suppressor would be considered the same as possessing a complete suppressor.

[BluEsky]

I am a great believer of the old saying " Keep it Simple " so do yoáll think this may be Legal and have some Merit! And timely, what with the new Government initiative to get rid of Two Million Cats at all cost!

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[duncan61]

My interpretation of that is it is banned for no logical reason.Perhaps if demonstrated that a device lowers the sound but does not remove the noise completely it could be acceptable.Perhaps when that was drafted it applied to silencing weapons completely for criminal purposes.To many james bond movies

[bladeracer]

My interpretation of that is it is banned for no logical reason.Perhaps if demonstrated that a device lowers the sound but does not remove the noise completely it could be acceptable.Perhaps when that was drafted it applied to silencing weapons completely for criminal purposes.To many james bond movies

Sure, but how would you go about demonstrating it when doing so is illegal?
There is no logic whatever behind the suppressor restriction, just as there is no logic behind firearms being more dangerous because they look like military firearms - if that were true the Police wouldn't be asking for AR15's, they could use much cheaper 10/22's in "tactical" chassis instead.

[duncan61]

It could be legally argued that the device I am going to fit is a sound moderator not a true silencer.The word silencer indicates no noise at all therefore if there is noise upon discharging the fire arm it is not silenced.I will be asking questions tomorrow

[bladeracer]

It could be legally argued that the device I am going to fit is a sound moderator not a true silencer.The word silencer indicates no noise at all therefore if there is noise upon discharging the fire arm it is not silenced.I will be asking questions tomorrow

The law doesn't restrict "silencers". It restricts any "...contrivance commonly known as a silencer..." - any device attached to a firearm to reduce the sound - "...or any contrivance of a similar nature...".
If you can design a device that does not "attach" to a firearm you should be golden.
Maybe something that attaches to the shooter's left arm for example.

EDIT: I just noticed the the WA Act doesn't require attachment to the firearm - anything that reduces the sound of a firearm could conceivably be included as a "silencer".

[bladeracer]

In Victoria the definition is a little more specific.

[duncan61]

Thank you for your help.

[Wylie27]

This is for NSW.

First thing that needs to be done is fill out the request to have a sound moderator. It is a restricted item like a semi auto etc.

Have a Genuine reason and wait.. bombard your local members and senate reps with are the far not pushing this through

If enough shooters apply for the commisioners then they need to take notice and allow access to them.

Strength by numbers. It would be good if our political party and our supposed gun lobby would fight for this, but I needs to be a grass roots movement.

Personally there are other pieces of legislation that needs to be rolled back before this one, but I am here to support !

[duncan61]

that is what I was planning to do

[Wylie27]

We should all do it!