duncan61 wrote:.Correct me if I am wrong but a silencer on a high power rifle.Meaning it can push a projectile above 2500 fps will only moderate the sound its still going to be loud.the projectile has to be under the speed of sound to be fully silent.I have read a few posts about confusion over what is high and low power and I believe here in West Australia the cut of line was 2500 fps.The 22 Hornet was O.K. to have on a low power license but a high power license was needed for the 218 Bee and above.I think it is now A and B which is a much better system cos to get a high power license here years ago you needed a lot of land and a damn good reason.When the buyback happened on semis they allowed shooters to buy 30/30 on a low power and heaps of people I knew went and got lever action 30/30 all the pistol chambered levers were considered low power and available to farmers and hunters.With what I am reading on this forum I am starting to join the ranks of the disgruntled firearm owners.I have just looked at the homemade muzzle brake fitted by Medic and fail to see that if a good machinist /engineer can make and fit a device that reduces blast and noise out of a rifle shooting at 3000-4000 fps whats the problem you are still going to hear it just make it nicer.I mean we are already shooting at that speed why does it have to be so loud.I am not sure if this topic has been done to death already?
duncan61 wrote:After seeing the good job that medic did on his muzzle break it altered my mindset on sound moderating.I run a .222 for head shooting roos on a very mild load so recoil and noise is not an issue but my mates run .243W and it lights up the paddock and makes a big bang.My 7mm rem mag even with 26 barrel makes a lot of noise.For the first time I fail to see why we apparently cant reduce the noise and possible flash.I believe in America silencers are legal on rifles
bladeracer wrote:duncan61 wrote:After seeing the good job that medic did on his muzzle break it altered my mindset on sound moderating.I run a .222 for head shooting roos on a very mild load so recoil and noise is not an issue but my mates run .243W and it lights up the paddock and makes a big bang.My 7mm rem mag even with 26 barrel makes a lot of noise.For the first time I fail to see why we apparently cant reduce the noise and possible flash.I believe in America silencers are legal on rifles
In the US suppressors are legal in many states but are regulated, requiring a "tax" being paid for a "permit". I don't think any US states allows unregulated suppressors like NZ or the UK. I don't know the legal requirements of parts of Europe that allow or require suppressors.
Title_II wrote:Legal in most states, and there is a tax, there is no "permit." But you could look at it that way since you get one copy of your application back with the tax stamp on it.
Not just rifles. Pistols, machineguns, anything.
They are regulated federally so there are no states in which they are unregulated, although most states have no laws about them. Yes, you can hunt with them in the majority of states. Yes, you can carry a silenced sidearm, subgun, or rifle. No, they are not used in crime. I have met with many, many non-dickhead cops at training classes and none have ever even heard of one being used in a crime. It's a subject that tends to come up. I'm sure it must have happened somewhere, but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of hands and feet.
I have a silenced full auto MAX-11 and the thing is sick. VERY quiet. It's a hoot to blow down a row of cans and bottles of water without hardly making any noise. Viper-9
I also have a silencer for my M16. Gemtech HALO. It's full auto rated but not the greatest IMO. I only use the silencer with a .22 upper, using it with rifle rounds is not worth it to me. It is silent with .22s, really cool. The loudest sound (other than bullet impact) is actually the M16 hammer cocking in full auto, not the bolt chattering. But the .22s lead the darn thing up :\ I need to get a dedicated .22 can.
duncan61 wrote:My howa in 243 has a pitted barrel and I am going to fit a new one any way.Me thinks its time for some testing and I will get some trail boss and make subsonic ammo and see the difference then go to the relevant authorities and go how do like that.I wish to have it in writing that it is illegal.I will call wapol first and get the low down.Thanks for the feedback
duncan61 wrote:My point is now we can make the same calibre quieter with subsonic ammo why is it so out of order to use the same calibre quieter by modifying the rifle,We hunt feral and pest control animals and enjoy the experience along the way.Do we have to make a big bang.This is not over I will push until I have a reason not just cos some one said so
RoginaJack wrote:Note. Sound moderators are permitted in N.Z.
AND permits are also held by the National Parks. If the N.P. use these under W.P.H.& S. issues, why can't sporting shooters?
duncan61 wrote:We have the ability to make one eg machine shop.I may build and fit one test it then request a permit to make and fit sound moderators
duncan61 wrote:hi bladeracer could you point me in the right direction where this law is
duncan61 wrote:My interpretation of that is it is banned for no logical reason.Perhaps if demonstrated that a device lowers the sound but does not remove the noise completely it could be acceptable.Perhaps when that was drafted it applied to silencing weapons completely for criminal purposes.To many james bond movies