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Post by hunting99 » 27 Feb 2017, 8:26 pm

Hi just wondering if you can legally keep guns in a shipping container.
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Post by Gwion » 27 Feb 2017, 8:31 pm

Hinges and locking mechanisms won't cut it in most states, I think. Not 100% sure. Best to ask your local licencing team, ie: the cops.
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Post by bladeracer » 27 Feb 2017, 8:43 pm

hunting99 wrote:Hi just wondering if you can legally keep guns in a shipping container.



Probably fine if you keep them in a gun safe in the shipping container.
There is provision in the storage requirements for allowing other storage places that _the Commissioner_ considers equals or exceed the requirements.
I think you would need to apply for Commissioner's approval before any inspection though.
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Post by RoginaJack » 27 Feb 2017, 9:05 pm

I don't see why not, assuming that the firearms are just not chucked into the shipping container but stored in a lockable type wooden/metal type cabinet.


1 Longarm licences for category A and B longarms

(1) The firearm must be stored in a receptacle—

(a) which is constructed of hard wood or steel that is not easily penetrable; and

(b) which, if it weighs less than 150 kilograms when it is empty, must be fixed to the frame of the floor or the wall of the premises where the firearm is kept in such a manner that it is not easily removable; and

(c) which, when any firearm is stored in it, is locked with a lock of sturdy construction.


I also think you might have to do something about condensation, air circulation etc in the shipping container.
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Post by Gizardry » 27 Feb 2017, 10:29 pm

Are you talking about the big heavy steel shipping container?
If it has a proper lock system, it is a safe heavier than 150kg.
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Post by Gwion » 27 Feb 2017, 11:23 pm

I should add that my first response was to the question "can I store firearms in a shipping container?"
Not:
"Can I store guns in a safe inside a shipping container?"
In which case I believe it is no different to installing your safe in a shed.
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Post by juststarting » 28 Feb 2017, 12:39 am

I have a feeling that OP is asking about turning a shipping container into a gun room... In that case, no. The hinges and lock are external - not allowed.
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Post by Title_II » 28 Feb 2017, 1:56 am

Is there any place that is not officially Communist where the laws are worse than Australia? Some days this really just pisses me off.
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Post by Rgo » 28 Feb 2017, 4:00 am

I was under the impression that a gun safe had to be secured in a actual building ie. shed or house. A shipping container is moveable unless secured to the ground.
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Post by deye243 » 28 Feb 2017, 4:03 am

Title_II wrote:Is there any place that is not officially Communist where the laws are worse than Australia? Some days this really just pisses me off.


in a nut shell NO this place just sucks we can't even defend ourselves without charges being laid

even if we don't use a firearm we still get charged which means a bond and if you get one of them

you lose the lot and your licence for 5 years .

Australia where you are stooged in to thinking you are actually free :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

and yes it is funny ........ the only pricks that are actually free are the bloody crims :evil:
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Post by Noisydad » 28 Feb 2017, 5:00 am

Pretty certain small structures like containers and de- mountable prefab buildings etc are meant to anchored to concrete foundations too.
There's still a few of Wile. E Coyote's ideas that I haven't tried yet.
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Post by bigfellascott » 28 Feb 2017, 6:16 am

I've got a couple of mates who have shipping containers as their storage facilities (NSW) firearms are stored in safes inside them (one has about 10 Safes in it down one wall and a few huge mothers for storing bigger firearms and ammo (one impressive set up alright) other side is wall to wall with reloading gear of all descriptions.

From memory his has a massive lump of concrete hanging off a chain buried in the ground to stop the shipping container from being picked up easily.
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Post by Nick-J » 28 Feb 2017, 6:48 am

Haha so they assume your regular gun thief rocks up in a truck with a container loader ! Rediculous !

Just read on the SSAA website that an officer knocked back a storage inspection because the person used 'tech screws' to anchor the safe to their house frame. Aparently to cover your ass in case there is a wannabe engineer inspecting your safe only 4x coach screws will do. Never mind the bloody fact that if they bring a crowbar the bolt heads will pull through the safe material !

If a criminal wants your guns and they are in your house without your knowledge, they are getting them. Even bank safes get broken into for f*cks sake :shock:

I would absolutely love to know the actual crime figures of stolen legally owned firearms used in crime vs outright unregistered and illegal. You can bet they will never tell us because it would undermine their whole blitzkrieg on law abiding firearm owners.

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Post by Ed9362 » 28 Feb 2017, 7:01 am

I would have thought that a shipping container would weigh over 150KG (no need to secure it) and when locked it would not be considered easy to penetrate.

who gives a s**t where the hinges are you are going to need an oxy set to cut them off and if you have one of those you can cut a hole in almost any gun safe in Australia.
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Post by dpskipper » 28 Feb 2017, 9:19 am

I assume if the walls of the container are thick enough, the hinges and door are upto scratch and its more than 150kg, then the actual container should classify as a safe. Its just a walk in safe :)
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Post by Gamerancher » 28 Feb 2017, 9:29 am

I know a couple of blokes who have their guns stored in safes fixed down inside containers that have passed inspection. (NSW) One even had a recent robbery where his firearms where targeted. Turned out to be one of his "mates" who knew where they were. (Ice addict) My mate was not charged with insecure storage, so I gather a container is okay to put your safe/s in. :unknown: Just don't tell or show your drug f*cked friends! :thumbsdown:
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 28 Feb 2017, 9:46 am

juststarting wrote:I have a feeling that OP is asking about turning a shipping container into a gun room... In that case, no. The hinges and lock are external - not allowed.


I had a strong room with external hinges, no prob.
The storage requirements are simple; not easily penetrable, steel or hard wood....
the only thing is you cant store other stuff in there as it would accessed presumably more often for non-gun related bizo, and possibly non-licensed individuals (PoPos arguments)

Provide the hinges (and other closures/hardware) can not be unbolted from outside - should be sweeeeeeeet.... if so - weld them on. Even if you cut the hinges, the doors wont open. Lock - use a shield and HD padlocks.....

If the popo still no happy - ask them to open it "easily"....
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 28 Feb 2017, 9:59 am

Nick-J wrote:Haha so they assume your regular gun thief rocks up in a truck with a container loader ! Rediculous !


No nick, its not you 'regular' crim theyre concerned about, its the one who heard on the grapevine that there are 35 rifles and shotties and handguns (say) in that container sitting down that paddock..... and steals or 'borrows' the 'tools' for the job (said loader or tilt tray)


Nick-J wrote:Just read on the SSAA website that an officer knocked back a storage inspection because the person used 'tech screws' to anchor the safe to their house frame. Aparently to cover your ass in case there is a wannabe engineer inspecting your safe only 4x coach screws will do. Never mind the bloody fact that if they bring a crowbar the bolt heads will pull through the safe material !


You mean like roofing screws?? If you're serious about 'fixing' your safe down then 1/4inch coach screws probably a bare minimum depending on number, better 10 or 12mm...into the timber frame :thumbsup:
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 28 Feb 2017, 10:07 am

Title_II wrote:Is there any place that is not officially Communist where the laws are worse than Australia? Some days this really just pisses me off.


Definitely the USSV....or wuld it be the SSRV..... either way we do have commies running the shop...police state that are more concerned with social engineering, gay pride stuff, right for recent immigrants, particularly the Sudanese to the point where you could ask ANY person on the street whether we have a law and order 'problem' and they will without hesitation refer to the Ape-x gang of Africans without prompting..... its a disgrace that our 'esteemed' leader came out early on in the piece and stated in clear terms, actually he said exactly that "prison is not an option".... actually giving them free reign to run amok, car-jacking, home invading, assaulting, stealing.....

I can see the s**t getting any better here (general governance wise), so I have a longer-term plan to make a change.... possibly to emigrate.

edit to add;
we recently had, in Vic, no less than the SPEAKER of Parliament AS WELL as his deputym being busted for defrauding the people of Vic.... the media has gone EXTREMELY soft on these two parasites, who are definitely NOT the exception...... so what does it tell you when the speaker is rotten?? happen to be in the socialist (Labor) party.... funny that, the 'workers' and all....
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Post by Lokvo » 01 Mar 2017, 8:58 am

Don't want to jack/take the thread off topic but I didn't want to start a new thread since it is 'gun storage' related. What are other members running for their handgun safes? reason being I'm looking at the lockwood type digital safes like you'd see at bunnings etc. and wonder if this meets the QWL storage requirements? or do I have to shelf out for something 'end of the world' robust to comply?
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Post by Gamerancher » 01 Mar 2017, 9:53 am

Re; bloke getting knocked back for using "TEK" screws. There is a published minimum ( NSW ).

"Mounting of the Safe
* When mounted onto brick, stone or concrete, it should be attached by at least four (4) masonry anchors 90mm in
length and 10mm in diameter internally fitted through holes in the rear and/or base of the container, securing it to the
floor and/or wall. The safe should be flush against the floor and/or wall.
* When mounted onto main wall studs, it should be fitted flush against the wall and secured to the wall studs and/or
floor joists by four (4) galvanized hexagon head coach screws, not less than 65mm in length and 8mm in diameter."

Straight from NSW Police Firearms Registry Website.
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Post by bigfellascott » 01 Mar 2017, 7:47 pm

Lokvo wrote:Don't want to jack/take the thread off topic but I didn't want to start a new thread since it is 'gun storage' related. What are other members running for their handgun safes? reason being I'm looking at the lockwood type digital safes like you'd see at bunnings etc. and wonder if this meets the QWL storage requirements? or do I have to shelf out for something 'end of the world' robust to comply?


Not sure I'd bother with cheap Chinese safes way too easy to open ( drop them on their corner and they pop open even seen some open with spuds.
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Post by Cryptic » 01 Mar 2017, 8:01 pm

I rang QLD WLB when I was looking at buying a safe and asked can I buy an ex bank vault safe weighing 800kg and store handguns in it without mounting, they told me no it needs to be fixed to permanent structure.
So I said I can buy a 50kg safe and screw it into the wall or floor and that is ok but an 800kg safe is a no go how does that make sense, they said that is the rules in the storage guide as it must be fixed so they cannot lift it.
Pretty sure if they were going to be equipped to lift an 800kg safe then a few screws wouldn't have bothered them but oh well stupid rules are rules.
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Post by Oldbloke » 01 Mar 2017, 8:47 pm

:lol: The law is an ass.
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Post by KennyA » 02 Mar 2017, 4:56 am

I just checked the Qld laws and I believe that it would comply.
I see the only negative is that it is external open air storage.
It is a good idea if you have the room and I'd just add a digital security camera....just in case.
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Post by BRNO_Bigot » 02 Mar 2017, 7:26 pm

I know a gunshop in Perth that had two containers in it - one for the gunsmith's things and one for the shop stock. Obviously police had seen and inspected it. I have no idea whther the locks and hinges were standard, but it was OK there.
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Post by happyhunter » 03 Mar 2017, 8:46 am

Lokvo wrote:Don't want to jack/take the thread off topic but I didn't want to start a new thread since it is 'gun storage' related. What are other members running for their handgun safes? reason being I'm looking at the lockwood type digital safes like you'd see at bunnings etc. and wonder if this meets the QWL storage requirements? or do I have to shelf out for something 'end of the world' robust to comply?


The safes Bunnngs sells rubbish and easily defeated. A quick internet search will show how easy they are to break. I'd go with Aussie made Lokaway safes.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 03 Mar 2017, 9:32 am

happyhunter wrote:..... I'd go with Aussie made Lokaway safes.

You sure??
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Post by bladeracer » 03 Mar 2017, 9:54 am

<<Genesis93>> wrote:
happyhunter wrote:..... I'd go with Aussie made Lokaway safes.

You sure??



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Post by scaredyet » 07 Mar 2017, 10:56 am

I have my safe in my unit built in and only held by two screws in the wall. Should I get more out in
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