Gun storage

[duncan61]

It is definatlly about the capitol raised.The police were going to stop issuing fines in protest to a pay deal and it was calculated that within 10 days they would not have fuel for the vehicles.It is a fact that they have benchmarks of revenue to be raised in a certain amount of time and get chatted if they dont make the amount allocated.dont speed

[bladeracer]

If the limit is 60, and you exceed that limit - you're fined. They graciously allow an error (they call it something else, of I think 4km/h, but 1 kay over and you're done.

There's no grace involved. It's purely so you won't take it to court claiming their equipment is inaccurate, it might be out by one or two kph, but not likely to be out by more than that. You might get a 64/60 knocked down to 62/60 but the result will be the same to your pocket.

I have been done for 62/60 in Perth on a camera but I think they were having a blitz.

[Title_II]

Yeah, sorry there is no "allowance". I got fined for doing 82 in an 80 zone in the tunnel on coming off the , sh*t, what do you call it now, was the S.E freeway back then anyway. Camera offence, wrote a letter asking that surely this was an allowable error in the speedo of my vehicle, reply stated that there is NO ALLOWANCES. I was in a MONSTROUS KILLER, B-DOUBLE BEHEMOTH truck, maybe that is the difference. $369 fine for 2km/h, safety? You betcha!

Holy crap!

[Gwion]

The really annoying thing is that the Australian Standard tolerances for speedos is something like 7km+-, so you can be sitting under the limit according to your speedo and still be clocked at over the speed limit.
This is according to a keen car club colleague i worked with some years ago. He got quite worked up about it when we were having the discussion.

[bladeracer]

The really annoying thing is that the Australian Standard tolerances for speedos is something like 7km+-, so you can be sitting under the limit according to your speedo and still be clocked at over the speed limit.
This is according to a keen car club colleague i worked with some years ago. He got quite worked up about it when we were having the discussion.

The law doesn't say "80kph according to your speedo", the law is 80kph regardless of how you choose to measure it.

[Gwion]

Yes, but the Australian standard for the device required to measure your speed should influence the lee-way allowed for with infringement notices.
Beside, in Vic, it used to be 3km tolerance for infringements. Dunno when that changed.

[Ratsmitglied]

Except that the margin of error in the current standards is that the speedo can read up to 10% OVER, but not under the speed you are travelling

Regardless, speed cameras and police radar address blatant revenue raising devices, especially in Victoria

Edit: I had it arse about

[Title_II]

My cousin once studied a traffic area, I think it involved a bridge. They were having lots of problems with speeding and instead of looking at it as a revenue generator they decided to look at it as a problem that needed to be solved.

They raised the speed limit.

People started driving slower. Given the freedom to drive at a reasonable speed, people were no longer interested in getting an extra 10 or 20 miles per hour over the speed limit. They made a decision to stay mostly within the law because it was practical, where as previously nobody gave a crap.

When I lived in Jersey as a youngster I carried a gun illegally. Jersey is pretty much like East Germany was. Having moved to The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I no longer break laws. Even the stupid ones. I have freedom and I cherish it, and I respect the law.

Funny how that works.

[Gamerancher]

Just had a look at the thread heading, methinks we've gone off topic.......just a bit. Guilty your Honour

[Gwion]

Except that the margin of error in the current standards is that the speedo can read up to 10% under, but not over the speed you are travelling

Regardless, speed cameras and police radar address blatant revenue raising devices, especially in Victoria

That sounds completely arse about. Surely it is better/safer to have the speedo reading 10% OVER the speed you are travelling and NOT under it!??!

Makes absolutely no sense!

[Gwion]

My cousin once studied a traffic area, I think it involved a bridge. They were having lots of problems with speeding and instead of looking at it as a revenue generator they decided to look at it as a problem that needed to be solved.

They raised the speed limit.

People started driving slower. Given the freedom to drive at a reasonable speed, people were no longer interested in getting an extra 10 or 20 miles per hour over the speed limit. They made a decision to stay mostly within the law because it was practical, where as previously nobody gave a crap.

When I lived in Jersey as a youngster I carried a gun illegally. Jersey is pretty much like East Germany was. Having moved to The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, I no longer break laws. Even the stupid ones. I have freedom and I cherish it, and I respect the law.

Funny how that works.

Not the case in Tassy. Laws here are quite relaxed, in the large, but locals find it necessary to break as many laws as they can possibly get away with and quite a few beyond that point to the extent that Tas has the 2nd highest rate of crime, per capita, in Australia.

[Ratsmitglied]

Except that the margin of error in the current standards is that the speedo can read up to 10% under, but not over the speed you are travelling

Regardless, speed cameras and police radar address blatant revenue raising devices, especially in Victoria

That sounds completely arse about. Surely it is better/safer to have the speedo reading 10% OVER the speed you are travelling and NOT under it!??!

Makes absolutely no sense!

Sorry, my mistake

Yes, the speedo can read up to 10% OVER the speed you're traveling.

[Gamerancher]

Now that everyone seems to have a dash-bitch in the car, surely this problem is a thing of the past?

[Gwion]

Sorry, my mistake

Yes, the speedo can read up to 10% OVER the speed you're travelling.

That makes more sense.

[Gamerancher]

Gwion, the Bureau of Statistics released findings last year that 51% of Tasmanians are illiterate. Perhaps that's their excuse?
I know I like to bring that up with my Taswegian shooting buddies, most of whom resemble some of your remarks.

[Title_II]

Why are you mates running around in Speedos? That's kinda creepy.

[Gwion]

Gamerancher, a large portion of Tasmania is actually a ghetto, but, because it is a white ghetto it goes unnoticed. Studies have shown that education is mis-trusted in Tasmania and that having a lower standard of education actually makes you a better person, according to the average Taswegian.

[Gamerancher]

Knowing that you only live there, not born and bred, ( I resisted the urge to say "in" ), I thought I was safe saying that to you.

My wife was speaking with a customer once who said she was from Tassy, when my wife said " we have friends who live at ..........." the woman replied, " Oh, that's behind the flannelette curtain"

[Gwion]

Facts are facts, mate.

[Jandamurra]

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Jandamurra.Good points you make.I am packing at the moment to go south and have my.222 and 7mm rem mag on the bed.I am here so I can have them out as long or as much as I like however I cant go out and leave them lying around.I have just found out I am being picked up to do a plumbing quote and it took 3 minutes to lock them back in the safe.And yes the stolen gear up North was very mentally challenging and I left the community shortly after.I was grateful I had them secured correctly as another chap up here left his .223 in the shed and when it went missing he could do nothing but lament.We spend a lot of money on our fabulous rifles and gear so I like knowing they are stored in a safe place.At the dairy farm I worked at the bosses wife found her toddlers with great grandpas 303 pointing it at each other .He asked my advice and he put in a gun safe real quick.She was young and hated guns I could only go ducking near the farm house when I see her go out for the day.My 4 year old just walked in with a plastic hand gun for shooting zombies on a game and knew how to point it at my face and pull the trigger.No training required .go figure

I never really thought about things this way.
So when it comes down to it, as long as you give a reason, such as cleaning it, you can still have it out in your own home at the ready if you feel the need?

[duncan61]

Its yours you can have it any time.I traveled to Carnarvon with my son and we had my youngest daughter who was 19 and her friend over from England anyhoo we camped just out of town at pelican point and I know its no camping but did it anyway cos the toilet block is on the beach and the girls were happy so stuff it.In the morning headlights go all over us.Son is in back of ute the girls are sleeping in the front seats and I am swagging it with the .222 loaded bolt in next to the ute.The police man the ranger had dragged out was all messed up cos it was way early and he had probably just started or was just finishing and had to deal with us clowns .He started getting all weird about the rifle but I had it so there was nothing he could do.I had a property letter for a station further north and when he asked why do you have a rifle I showed him the letter authorising me to cull kangaroos.He called his sergeant and I overheard the sergeant say he is fine he can have his firearm with him.My son and I copped a $100 fine each and I booked it for next year.

[<<Genesis93>>]

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Jandamurra.Good points you make.I am packing at the moment to go south and have my.222 and 7mm rem mag on the bed.I am here so I can have them out as long or as much as I like however I cant go out and leave them lying around.I have just found out I am being picked up to do a plumbing quote and it took 3 minutes to lock them back in the safe.And yes the stolen gear up North was very mentally challenging and I left the community shortly after.I was grateful I had them secured correctly as another chap up here left his .223 in the shed and when it went missing he could do nothing but lament.We spend a lot of money on our fabulous rifles and gear so I like knowing they are stored in a safe place.At the dairy farm I worked at the bosses wife found her toddlers with great grandpas 303 pointing it at each other .He asked my advice and he put in a gun safe real quick.She was young and hated guns I could only go ducking near the farm house when I see her go out for the day.My 4 year old just walked in with a plastic hand gun for shooting zombies on a game and knew how to point it at my face and pull the trigger.No training required .go figure

I never really thought about things this way.
So when it comes down to it, as long as you give a reason, such as cleaning it, you can still have it out in your own home at the ready if you feel the need?

Aussies have the cleanest guns.

[Title_II]

Mine are dirty as crap. Because, it turns out, I'm not in the Airborne anymore. And I buy guns that work, not prima donnas.

[<<Genesis93>>]

...whooooooosh...

[Title_II]

...whooooooosh...

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(not everything revolves around you)

[<<Genesis93>>]

...whooooooosh...

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(not everything revolves around you)

WHAT??? you mean.... really ??

[Title_II]

...whooooooosh...

whooooooosh

(not everything revolves around you)

WHAT??? you mean.... really ??

OK, NM, this is getting complicated. I thought you thought I was was responding to you, mate. Bah, fughettaboutit

[Daddybang]

Its yours you can have it any time.I traveled to Carnarvon with my son and we had my youngest daughter who was 19 and her friend over from England anyhoo we camped just out of town at pelican point and I know its no camping but did it anyway cos the toilet block is on the beach and the girls were happy so stuff it.In the morning headlights go all over us.Son is in back of ute the girls are sleeping in the front seats and I am swagging it with the .222 loaded bolt in next to the ute.The police man the ranger had dragged out was all messed up cos it was way early and he had probably just started or was just finishing and had to deal with us clowns .He started getting all weird about the rifle but I had it so there was nothing he could do.I had a property letter for a station further north and when he asked why do you have a rifle I showed him the letter authorising me to cull kangaroos.He called his sergeant and I overheard the sergeant say he is fine he can have his firearm with him.My son and I copped a $100 fine each and I booked it for next year.

So how long have you been able to go armed in public in WA?.

[Bigjobss]

Gamerancher, a large portion of Tasmania is actually a ghetto, but, because it is a white ghetto it goes unnoticed. Studies have shown that education is mis-trusted in Tasmania and that having a lower standard of education actually makes you a better person, according to the average Taswegian.

My eyes were opened to this a few years ago and it is exactly as you say, non-Tasmanians have no idea how bad it really is.
I was working in Bridgewater, holy f@#k!! What a f#$king special place that is.

I ended up in an attempted mugging a few hundred meters from the copshop, which was closed, and had a knife pulled on me at around 1pm, I got away unharmed.
Little bit later I was in Bellrieve police station waiting to give a statement and overheard an arson in Bridgewater on the police radio followed by a baseball bat attack. As im walking into the interview room out walked a detective with a 30ish lady "what happened to you? attempted mugging in Bridgewater? Oh yeh, she was from Bridgewater, repeatedly raped by her brother"

[Rikta]

Old thread I know, but if a door was put on with internal hinges, 2mm+ steel, other doors welded up. multiple locking points on door (4 maybe?) 10ft container weighs well over 150kg, put inside a shed. surely it would qualify as a vault?