Nsw hunting permission rule changes

[Daddybang]

Fudds are our biggest problem next to the fact that scum bags already have pistols, which we unendingly get punished for to no good end!

Ya dead right there bentaz. The laws do jack sh@t to prevent the "wrong" type of person getting their hands on firearms

[duncan61]

While we are on a roll.I have just read the Where can I hunt guide in Victoria and it seems very fair and reasonable.I am genuinely interested in what you had before that you dont have now that seems to be causing all the consternation.I know about the Port Arthur buy back I handed in a perfectly good semi auto .22 stirling and a Winchester 3 shot 12 gauge.I am not trying to stir the pot just some actual real concerns that need to be bought to the attention of SFFP.I have read about the doctor who wishes to disarm the public completely and he is not taken serious and i joined a local anti gun group for fun recently and their arguments were nonsensical.Their main point was that we were too powerful as a group.My current views are not popular so educate me on the looming horror

[bladeracer]

While we are on a roll.I have just read the Where can I hunt guide in Victoria and it seems very fair and reasonable.I am genuinely interested in what you had before that you dont have now that seems to be causing all the consternation.I know about the Port Arthur buy back I handed in a perfectly good semi auto .22 stirling and a Winchester 3 shot 12 gauge.I am not trying to stir the pot just some actual real concerns that need to be bought to the attention of SFFP.I have read about the doctor who wishes to disarm the public completely and he is not taken serious and i joined a local anti gun group for fun recently and their arguments were nonsensical.Their main point was that we were too powerful as a group.My current views are not popular so educate me on the looming horror

Choice and freedom to enjoy our recreation as we see fit without being dictated to by anti-gun rhetoric is what we've lost.

Do you believe you were a danger to the public with your semi-auto rifle and shotgun?

[duncan61]

I read the guide and am very interested in flying to Victoria to hunt deer.From what I gather I contact the DEPI in the area I wish to play and with the correct licenses and permits I am good to go.I have freedom and choice.The anti gun lobby argue all sorts of weird stuff its all on the net and they are their own worst enemy one claim is we should only have one firearm otherwise we will become mass murderers,We all know you need 13 fishing rods 13 golf clubs and 13 firearms.Need and want is the grey area.We need rifles to hunt and cull but the amount of firepower we can lay down has to be consistent with the task at hand.I put about 5000 rds down a Bren gun in the army and as much fun as it would be to go rabbiting its not really practical.I would like to think I have a better understanding of the situation after this discussion

[bladeracer]

While we are on a roll.I have just read the Where can I hunt guide in Victoria and it seems very fair and reasonable.I am genuinely interested in what you had before that you dont have now that seems to be causing all the consternation.

Victoria has the most sensible of our current firearm laws, but it's still way over the top to address a non-existent problem.
Like you, I'm blessed to live on property, around lots of properties to shoot on, and surrounded by millions of acres of public land to hunt on. I spent years shooting handguns, semi-auto rifles and pump shotguns so I don't particularly miss them now. I have no real complaints about how our gun laws affect me personally. But I am not going to sit quietly and allow the anti-gun morons to push to further restrict my fellow firearm enthusiasts just because I'm comfortably placed.

If I could make the same choices nowadays as I did as a kid I probably would own a pump shotgun, simply because it's what I'm most familiar with. I'd probably own a semi-.22 as well because semi-automatic is the peak of evolution for a hunting or a shooting rifle, an instant follow-up shot is more humane for hunting and more effective for pest control. I doubt I'd bother with a semi-auto centrefire rifle simply because I have no particular need for it in a varmint or deer rifle, but if I found pigs around here somewhere I'd opt for one of the semi-auto rifles for sure. They are fun to play with, but hellishly expensive to run.

But I don't have these choices any more, and I want to make sure we retain the choices we have remaining, for myself, for others, and for our country. Allowing the government to keep restricting what we can do is destroying us.

Last week Victoria brought in a f***ing LAW to allow motorcycle riders to remove one foot from a footpeg to stretch out a cramp. WTF! Have Police actually been charging riders for this sort of crap?

[bladeracer]

I read the guide and am very interested in flying to Victoria to hunt deer.From what I gather I contact the DEPI in the area I wish to play and with the correct licenses and permits I am good to go.I have freedom and choice.The anti gun lobby argue all sorts of weird stuff its all on the net and they are their own worst enemy one claim is we should only have one firearm otherwise we will become mass murderers,We all know you need 13 fishing rods 13 golf clubs and 13 firearms.Need and want is the grey area.We need rifles to hunt and cull but the amount of firepower we can lay down has to be consistent with the task at hand.I put about 5000 rds down a Bren gun in the army and as much fun as it would be to go rabbiting its not really practical.I would like to think I have a better understanding of the situation after this discussion

Need is irrelevant. We need air to breathe. We don't need a vehicle to do our shopping or take our kids to school. We don't need ten choices of bread in a shop. Everything is about what we want only. If you want something and you aren't going to bother other people with it why shouldn't you be allowed to have it?

If you wanted a Bren Gun and chose to take it deer hunting do you believe you need to empty the mag at every living creature? I'll assume not, so why would you assume other people would be any different?

[duncan61]

We are over regulated in Australia.I lived with a New Zealand mate for a while and he had been home and had footage of car racing where the farmer is going to plough the field for potatos on Monday so all weekend they set up different tracks with traffic cones and belt these V8 buggies around.The local police even turned up with one.If you did that here you would have black suited tactical troops raining on you out of choppers.my man mike ordered and licensed a 10/22 Ruger after the buy back just to prove he could.He had to get a letter from the property manager that he needed fast follow up shots so it can be done

[bladeracer]

my man mike ordered and licensed a 10/22 Ruger after the buy back just to prove he could.He had to get a
letter from the property manager that he needed fast follow up shots so it can be done

We know it can be done, but why should we have to jump through hoops to get what we all owned as kids?
My first rifle was a 10/22. Frankly, I think every shooter deserves one as their first rifle.

[duncan61]

We are crossing post but I like your logic.Yeah why cant I have a Bren gun.I am going to make application

[bladeracer]

We are crossing post but I like your logic.Yeah why cant I have a Bren gun.I am going to make application

I think the problem you have is that you seem to actually believe that gun laws prevent people from having guns that shouldn't have guns?
That is ludicrous.
When was the last time you heard of a violent incident with a firearm that was acquired legally?

[Daddybang]

Choice and freedom to enjoy our recreation as we see fit without being dictated to by anti-gun rhetoric is what we've lost.

Do you believe you were a danger to the public with your semi-auto rifle and shotgun?

Well put. Imo these rights are the basic freedoms that many aussie men and women have fought and died for. To give them up without a fight would be an insult to their sacrifice.

[Archie]

If I'm honest, I never really understood why they effectively banned pump action and semi auto shotguns but still allowed private ownership of semi-automatic handguns. I get the idea that "pistols put holes in people, shotguns put holes through people" but realistically handguns size just make them better suited for criminal activity than longarms because they're concealable.

From a very self interest point of view, I would happily take less regulation on storage and transport requirements for my Cat As and Bs if the political cost of that was tolerating the removal of Cat H. But I know that in practice, what would happen is they'd ban Cat H and then just chip away at what was left, and we'd lose the lot. If we don't all hang together, we'll all hang separately.

Unlike some people here, I don't equate firearm ownership itself with freedom,- but I do think that the default Australian response to everything slightly controversial - be it firearms or anything else - is to add another law or regulation, and that isn't a good thing for self responsibility. It seems these days like everything that isn't banned is compulsory. And this behavior also feeds into the idea that the government needs to protect us from everything remotely scary, no matter how unlikely, and any curtailment of civil liberties is justified to do it.

[bladeracer]

If I'm honest, I never really understood why they effectively banned pump action and semi auto shotguns but still allowed private ownership of semi-automatic handguns. I get the idea that "pistols put holes in people, shotguns put holes through people" but realistically handguns size just make them better suited for criminal activity than longarms because they're concealable.

Do you believe that lawful owners of handguns put holes in people though?
Making them illegal has zero effect on illegal firearms putting holes in people.

The concealability of handguns is also what makes them fairly ineffective weapons. Anybody that fully expects to be in a bad situation does not go into it with a handgun, they take a rifle or shotgun.

[Archie]

If I'm honest, I never really understood why they effectively banned pump action and semi auto shotguns but still allowed private ownership of semi-automatic handguns. I get the idea that "pistols put holes in people, shotguns put holes through people" but realistically handguns size just make them better suited for criminal activity than longarms because they're concealable.

Do you believe that lawful owners of handguns put holes in people though?
Making them illegal has zero effect on illegal firearms putting holes in people.

No, I think that LAFOs, generally speaking, are more responsible than the average (emphasis on average) member of the public, simply because all of the checks in place to make sure that you don't get, or keep your, licence if there is any questions regarding criminal history. I don't have an issue with with the owners at all. My point was only that I don't get why you would ban the shotguns and still allow the pistols.To be really clear, I don't think that's a reason to ban cat H.

[Member-Deleted]

I for one can't fathom why pollies want more restrictions on guns
Its the illegal ones they need to chase up because they don't register them like normal people ( why )
The way governments have handled this is nothing short of knee jerk reaction to gain ground in the political paddock nothing more

Why disarm people that are not causing any problems and yes i've heard most of the arguements from the anti gun people
And yet to hear one legitimate reason for doing so ,yet us gun owners are still classed as possible felons without reason

all gun deaths are horrible but possibly more people die from electric shock in australia each day which is also horrible so do we take away the power
( that is how silly all this seems)

Governments should look in their own back yard as well as countries to see all the problems they cause by cutting peoples rights before
imposing stupid laws on people whom only want to have a sport they are comfortable with and like
Don't get me wrong i have no problem with registering my rifles or following some regulations but lets leave it at that
Pollies have to cut all the BS and get on with running the country and not worry about could be gun problems when they are not there
And yes people who have lost loved ones through gun violence should have an opinion but was it by a law abiding person or criminal either way
its bad but the facts have to come out to be acted on properly not put all people in the portential felon basket
You will find most firearm laws are made on mear hear say and emotions rather than facts like when gun laws were first given the green light
Howard created a buzz to get people emotional an vote likewise

Driverless cars or cars with a responsible driver do not kill people likewise with guns ( fruit for thought for the anti gun team )

cheers

[bladeracer]

I want to know the reasoning behind why we are not considered worthy enough to have a choice whether we take responsibility for our own protection or choose to wait for Police to eventually arrive, and then shoot us because they just showed up and haven't worked out who the bad guys are.

[Member-Deleted]

Well mate the reason is called ''power'' he who has the most power and weilds the biggest stick gets to decide who is worthy or not
Not good but true also these people will do most anything to gain this power and one of the ways is denouncing the capabillity of people
being capable of thinking for them selves unless your being booked for something and then they say you should have thought more about
the rules
I think australian pollies are still mentally in the convict days because the laws and mentality of then still work for them such as ,''do as we say''
''you have no rights unless we give them to you and we can take them when we see fit''

As far as being shot by police not knowing who's the baddy boils down to the hype build up and in not properly trained police for example discharging a fire
arm in a crowded room thus shooting another person besides the so called baddy

Question ; will this officer have their weapon taken from them perminantly like citizen gun owners ?
Anwser ; i think not it will come down to 'I thought he had a gun and i feared for my life''

I would like to see a pollie come along with some brains and who is in touch with reallity and also with gumption to stand up and be counted
Then maybe laws will be made on facts and not stupidity or self interest
But i'm not holding my breath because miracles rarely happen

Cheers

[Daddybang]

Well mate the reason is called ''power'' he who has the most power and weilds the biggest stick gets to decide who is worthy or not
Not good but true also these people will do most anything to gain this power and one of the ways is denouncing the capabillity of people
being capable of thinking for them selves unless your being booked for something and then they say you should have thought more about
the rules
I think australian pollies are still mentally in the convict days because the laws and mentality of then still work for them such as ,''do as we say''
''you have no rights unless we give them to you and we can take them when we see fit''

As far as being shot by police not knowing who's the baddy boils down to the hype build up and in not properly trained police for example discharging a fire
arm in a crowded room thus shooting another person besides the so called baddy

Question ; will this officer have their weapon taken from them perminantly like citizen gun owners ?
Anwser ; i think not it will come down to 'I thought he had a gun and i feared for my life''

I would like to see a pollie come along with some brains and who is in touch with reallity and also with gumption to stand up and be counted
Then maybe laws will be made on facts and not stupidity or self interest
But i'm not holding my breath because miracles rarely happen

Cheers

Ya right grandad. Jesus will make another appearance before the poliscum get their act together.