NSW bans more guns, whaaa?

[andreweden]

In all seriousness, if this appearance stuff is to be taken seriously, if you have it ceracoted any colour other than white, FDE, olive drab or black, surely it no longer replicates the appearance of a military weapon?

I strongly agree.
That's why the appearance rule is stupid.

I guess I really don't care if it has to be safety orange if it just stops a silly argument. The law won't be changed, it just needs to be interpreted correctly.

[albat]

These arbitary decisions on banning firearms on appearane really dont make sense because it doesnt apply to cat c or d firearms go figure

[Gwion]

this is stupid!

By the way, it is entirely the fault of police as the commissioner gets final say on rulings in situations like this.

[Member-Deleted]

Yep Gwion the same man that issues police with firearms and they discharge them in a crowded area and injure innocent
bystanders

[Oldbloke]

this is stupid!

By the way, it is entirely the fault of police as the commissioner gets final say on rulings in situations like this.

Sorry, I disagree. If the politicians didn't pass the act/regulation in the first place the option would not exist for police commissioner to use it.

That section of the Act/regulation should be revoked.

[Member-Deleted]

well who put it to the pollies to be passed in the first place was it john howard ?
So then the commissioner just enforces it ?

[Oldbloke]

Who wrote it? I have no idea. But often various departments are evolved. In this case police would I'm sure had input.
Who introduced it into parliament? John Howard.
Who passed it? The idiots that were elected.

If it failed to pass it wouldn't be an issue.
The people in place now inherited the act/regulations in each state.

[Gwion]

It is Police Commish of the time that advises how the State regs and act should reflect the NFA. It is then put to a sitting of people who have basically no idea about what is and isn't safe or proper for firearms (the pollies/parliament). And this is the issue at hand. Regulations and interpretations of the law all come down to the Police Commish and staff.

These are not military weapons, they are just well made bolt action rifles. If they take this logic to the extreme they will ban anything that looks like a Remington 700 as they are still in service as sniper rifles in some military forces. This, extended to the Nth degree then bans almost all bolt action rifle due to military appearance. It doesn't have to go past parliament for this to happen, it is completely up to the Police.

On the other hand, the Police could just turn around and say, "these rifles are not military weapons" and the whole problem would go away overnight. So, to my mind, it is entirely a Police decision seeing they have first advised on and then interpreted the law and formulated the regulations as they choose.

[Elmer]

Paint them pink with butterflies. They won't look scary then.
Sheeesh. Wonder that would go in the courts?

LOL, or even rainbow coloured, that would be more acceptable to our gay and lesbian sympathising pollies

[brett1868]

Bump: Any updates on this has anyone been contacted? Has any stores been told to stop selling them ect? I would really like to keep upto date with this as it could have a roll on effect in other states.

No update as yet and nothing in the post from the Registry. If / When I get news I'll post here

[thegooch]

Oh well, looks like I'm banned from NSW. I quite like that.

[on_one_wheel]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

[Elmer]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

How cool would that be and adopting their constitution

[brett1868]

Now that technically I own 3 prohibited firearms, might apply for an AR-15

[Apollo]

Now that technically I own 3 prohibited firearms, might apply for an AR-15

You could put them in some decent looking stocks, they would probably shoot better too....

You might even become a "Target Shooter"... Hmm, maybe...

Then again, you can't change old habits...

[brett1868]

Now that technically I own 3 prohibited firearms, might apply for an AR-15

You could put them in some decent looking stocks, they would probably shoot better too....

You might even become a "Target Shooter"... Hmm, maybe...

Then again, you can't change old habits...

How ya goin ya crusty old bugger....been meaning to call and stir you up a bit.

I'm doing alright in the target shooting stakes....18th in the FCSA 1000yd World titles this year in the US, Second in both Factory & Unlimited classes at this years Australian FCSA titles in Mildura along with smallest aggregate group in unlimited class. Might even score a place in the up coming Warracknabeal FCSA comp if I manage to get there.
I've actually considered a stock swap but being a bull pup with switch barrels it'd probably cost me a small fortune. If they go down the path of a ban then I'll explore the option of Cerakoting the chassis with some less scary colours such as dog dick red, baby spew yellow or frozen balls blue....

[Apollo]

It's a pity that little small calibres can beat you at 1,000 Yards.....

I'm still "Crusty"....and "Old" ...

[Oldbloke]

"n I'll explore the option of Cerakoting the chassis with some less scary colours such as dog dick red, baby spew yellow or frozen balls blue...."

Less scary but won't you get pulled over for a road worthy or speeding then.

[Daddybang]

In all seriousness, if this appearance stuff is to be taken seriously, if you have it ceracoted any colour other than white, FDE, olive drab or black, surely it no longer replicates the appearance of a military weapon?

I strongly agree.
That's why the appearance rule is stupid.

I guess I really don't care if it has to be safety orange if it just stops a silly argument. The law won't be changed, it just needs to be interpreted correctly.

Looks like someone was listening!.

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[Gwion]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

No f***ing way!

[Gwion]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

How cool would that be and adopting their constitution

See above.

You have to realise we would also be strapped with a $7.25/hr minimum wage and s health care system that means certain bankruptcy for serious illness unless you are independently wealthy into the double or triple digits of millions of dollars...

Not a trade off I'd make just for easier access to toys that go bang.

[Oldbloke]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

How cool would that be and adopting their constitution

See above.

You have to realise we would also be strapped with a $7.25/hr minimum wage and s health care system that means certain bankruptcy for serious illness unless you are independently wealthy into the double or triple digits of millions of dollars...

Not a trade off I'd make just for easier access to toys that go bang.

+1

[bladeracer]

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

No f***ing way!

We have better firearm laws than some US states already!

[Baronvonrort]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

How cool would that be and adopting their constitution

See above.

You have to realise we would also be strapped with a $7.25/hr minimum wage and s health care system that means certain bankruptcy for serious illness unless you are independently wealthy into the double or triple digits of millions of dollars...

Not a trade off I'd make just for easier access to toys that go bang.

The minimum wage is for unskilled labor so those with skills do earn a lot more, if you have a job you're covered for health insurance.
I have only been to the doctors twice in the last 20 years, I don't eat junk and lead a healthy lifestyle so not worried about healthcare. I am concerned about government increasing taxes on things like smokes and considering a sugar tax which means socialised healthcare does result in governments giving us sin taxes.The Alcopos tax was supposed to reduce binge drinking it did nothing for that yet raised several billion in taxes. A 1.7 L bottle of Jim Beam Black label was $24.99 in the bottle shop we frequented.

I just came back from the USA, Massachusetts has a mandatory 18 month jail term for illegal possession of a firearm, much tougher on people who shouldn't have guns than us considering Mick Gatto was fined $2500 for a loaded sawn off shotgun.

Everything is much cheaper it makes me realise how much our thieving politicians are taxing us on everything.A new Honda Accord is $23K.

Massachusetts has legalised pot the young students smoke it in the street in Harvard square, they are taxing it at 20% they expect to raise $200 million in the second year making it a billion dollar a year industry from just under 7 million people.

[Member-Deleted]

They're banning this rifle for looks alone nothing more
This certainly puts new meaning to the old saying of ( If only looks could kill )

[Daddybang]

This is an absolute load of bullsh@t . I really believe that it's time for a national day of protest.

[Gwion]

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

No f***ing way!

We have better firearm laws than some US states already!

Exactly.

[Gwion]

The minimum wage is for unskilled labor so those with skills do earn a lot more, if you have a job you're covered for health insurance.
I have only been to the doctors twice in the last 20 years, I don't eat junk and lead a healthy lifestyle so not worried about healthcare. I am concerned about government increasing taxes on things like smokes and considering a sugar tax which means socialised healthcare does result in governments giving us sin taxes.The Alcopos tax was supposed to reduce binge drinking it did nothing for that yet raised several billion in taxes. A 1.7 L bottle of Jim Beam Black label was $24.99 in the bottle shop we frequented.

I just came back from the USA, Massachusetts has a mandatory 18 month jail term for illegal possession of a firearm, much tougher on people who shouldn't have guns than us considering Mick Gatto was fined $2500 for a loaded sawn off shotgun.

Everything is much cheaper it makes me realise how much our thieving politicians are taxing us on everything.A new Honda Accord is $23K.

Massachusetts has legalised pot the young students smoke it in the street in Harvard square, they are taxing it at 20% they expect to raise $200 million in the second year making it a billion dollar a year industry from just under 7 million people.

1/ Of course skilled labour gets paid more, hence they are not on minimum wage. Unskilled work needs to be carried out as well, so do you think someone who washes dishes or waits tables or mixes mud for a bricky should work for $7.25, which is $290 for a 40hr working week? No one can afford to live on that and you'd struggle to make ends meet on this pay rate even if you worked 80hr week. Hell, $290/w is considered cheap rent these days; imagine being a single parent of 2-3 kids, trying to pay rent & feed your kids with no time or money to undertake training to be able to find a better paying job.

2/ You have health care while in a job but how long can you hold a job and i think you will find this does not apply in most minimum wage scenarios. So, you have a job and cancer develops despite your healthy life style. Your 2 in 20year visits to the doctor become 20 in 1year, compounded by treatments that are charged at the premium market rate because health is a business... You are now too sick to work and lose your job and health care.....
We can see where this is going and it is extremely common in the US.

3/ Yes, i also disagree with what you refer to as "sin" tax but moreover i disagree with how our taxes are spent rather than paying them.

4/ Everything is cheaper because low prices are underwritten by people living in poverty despite working a full time job (or two).

5/ Not sure of your point about the legalised pot...

Finally, if we were to "be made the newest State in the US" there is no guarantee our gun laws would significantly change because the US Federal system has not much control over it's member states beyond ensuring the constitution is enacted. So, there would likely be a theoretical "right to bear arms" but the same laws would stay in place with added barriers to licencing and acquisition to deter people from employing their "right".

In stead of wanting to become American, we should be looking at how we can improve our own political system and remain Australia.

Just my take on it, obviously YMMV.

[bigfellascott]

They will have to ban all the ol clunkers out there as they not only look military but are military!!

[doc]

Just think how much safer well be with such ridiculous restrictions... and the children, think about them to

I whish the USA would hurry up and make Australia their fifty first state.

How cool would that be and adopting their constitution

Make Australia their 51st state - I wouldn't be that keen or interested.

However - adopting their constitution (or major parts of it) - that's another matter! I find the US constitution to be quite attractive - especially with it's attempt to try and keep the government accountable to it's citizens. They new tyranny, they foresaw tyrants in the future, and I have a lot of respect for what they have established in the constitution as a result.

Sadly it seems more people in Australia are complacent and over-trusting of most western governments (with an attitude that seems to indicate that tyrannic governments in the west are a thing of the past, it'll never happen again ) to ever see it pushed forward. Yet we seem to have more and more rights stripped away from us as the government finds more ways to distrust it's own constituents.