(SA) Private property Shooting question

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(SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by unknownaussie » 25 Dec 2013, 5:56 am

Hey guys,

I've got a 47 acre property in a country town SA and have some people coming up for the Christmas break.

they want to shoot my rifles to experience what we love. but just wondering what the story with letting someone shoot a gun who isn't licensed on my private property? obviously i will be watching over them

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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by Skadoo » 25 Dec 2013, 6:30 am

Hey Mike,

Last time I checked someone who's not licensed can only operate a firearm at a range, and under supervision.

They're not allowed to shoot on private property, regardless of if a license holder is supervising them or not :(
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by Grated » 25 Dec 2013, 6:34 am

Quoted from the SA firearms act for you:

11—Possession and use of firearms

(1) A person who has possession of a firearm without holding a firearms licence authorising possession of that firearm is guilty of an offence.

(2) A person who has possession of a firearm, or who uses a firearm, for a purpose that is not authorised by a firearms licence held by that person is guilty of an offence.

[blah blah blah...]

(4) No offence is committed under this section in relation to a class A, B or H firearm by virtue of the fact that—

(a) a person has possession of, or uses, the firearm on the range of a recognised commercial range operator or at a shooting gallery in the normal course of the operation of the commercial range operator or the shooting gallery if the commercial range or the gallery is under the supervision of a responsible person who holds a firearms licence authorising possession of that firearm;


It continues with a few 'on range' scenarios, but not private property.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by unknownaussie » 25 Dec 2013, 6:44 am

thanks guys,

bit crappy but all good!

might just drag em to the range in the next town.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by on_one_wheel » 25 Dec 2013, 7:57 am

They can use any of your rifles provided they are under your direct supervision.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by gazza » 25 Dec 2013, 6:43 pm

If you are supervising them it is legal.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by Skadoo » 25 Dec 2013, 9:35 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:They can use any of your rifles provided they are under your direct supervision.


gazza wrote:If you are supervising them it is legal.


Got a source for that information at all :?:
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by gazza » 26 Dec 2013, 5:59 pm

Nah, but I only recently did a course and the instructor told us that you must be supervising. He stressed that it meant being with the unlicenced people, not being on the balconey watching them.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 26 Dec 2013, 7:25 pm

Same... thats what was made perfectly clear to me when I did my course.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by on_one_wheel » 26 Dec 2013, 8:15 pm

Taken from the firearms act


http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/A ... 01977.aspx

12.7.2012—Firearms Act 1977
Possession of firearms and dealing in firearms and ammunition—Part 3
Possession and use of firearms—Division 1

No offence is committed under this section in relation to a class A, B, C, D or H
firearm or a prescribed firearm by virtue of the fact that a person has possession of the
firearm if he or she has possession of it on behalf of the Crown.
-or
(i) in the presence, and with the consent, of a person who is the owner
of the firearm and who is authorised by or under this Act to have
possession of it; or
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by Grated » 26 Dec 2013, 8:17 pm

Well there you go.

I stand corrected.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by on_one_wheel » 26 Dec 2013, 8:30 pm

You cant be blamed though......If you dont take the time to read it all you get to the bit that says " (1) A person who has possession of a firearm without holding a firearms licence authorising possession of that firearm is guilty of an offence. " Thats the problem with the way they write legislation, all the stuff that makes life easy is hiding in the fine print way down the page.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by flap » 27 Dec 2013, 9:59 am

gazza wrote:Nah, but I only recently did a course and the instructor told us that you must be supervising. He stressed that it meant being with the unlicenced people, not being on the balconey watching them.


Ditto. Did my safety course a couple of months ago and was told the same.
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by unknownaussie » 27 Dec 2013, 10:09 am

spoke to firearms branch they referred me to Firearms Regulations 2008 and advised that someone unlicenced can shoot on my property when in direct supervision with me (http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/FIREARMS%20REGULATIONS%202008/CURRENT/2008.239.UN.PDF

Division 5—Exemptions relating to licences

23—Exemption from requirement to be licensed

(1) An offence is not committed against section 11 of the Act in the following
circumstances:
(a) by a person of or over the age of 14 years but under the age of 18 years who
has possession of or uses a registered firearm if—
(i) he or she is with, and is under the continuous supervision of, his or
her parent or guardian or some other person approved by his or her
parent or guardian; and
(ii) the person providing the supervision holds a firearms licence
authorising possession of the firearm for the purpose for which it is
being used;
(b) by a person of or over the age of 14 years but under the age of 18 years who
has possession of or uses a firearm if that person is (with the consent of his or
her parent or guardian) with, and is under the continuous supervision of, a
recognised coach who holds a firearms licence authorising possession of the
firearm for the purpose for which it is being used;

(c) by a person who has possession of or uses a firearm for the purpose of a
course or examination in the safe handling, carriage and use of firearms if that
person is with, and is under the continuous supervision of, a person
authorised by the Registrar to conduct the course or examination;

(d) by a person of or over the age of 18 years who has possession of or uses a
firearm if that person is with, and is under the continuous supervision of, a
person who is registered as the owner of the firearm and who holds a firearms
licence authorising possession of the firearm for the purpose for which it is
being used;
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by BBJ » 27 Dec 2013, 12:25 pm

Well there you go.

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Post by JC102 » 29 Dec 2013, 3:50 pm

Does anyone know if this is the same for Victoria?
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by Lorgar » 29 Dec 2013, 4:00 pm

JC,

Pretty sure in VIC the only place an unlicensed person can shoot is at the range under the supervision of a licensed shooter.

A license is definitely required in state forests for shooting, so a parks and wildlife ranger tells me.

Did a quick search and pulled this from SSAA page FYI, under 'who can shoot on private property' page.

The following people can sport or target shoot on private property;
People with a licence for category A or B firearms...
People with a licence for category C firearms...
Juniors with a junior licence that is issued for category A or B firearms or for category C firearms...
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Re: (SA) Private property Shooting question

Post by JC102 » 29 Dec 2013, 8:45 pm

Damn, that's disappointing.

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