Overnight stays with firearms.

[Mr.Seacucumber]

Read the legislation and just act on that. At least you have something to fall back onto in court. Also don’t travel to WA.

[brett1868]

Take the firearm with you into the room, put it in the bed, tuck it in and climb in with it. This way it's technically within your possession

[RoginaJack]

Fair go "Sungazer", your statement has more holes in it than a piece of Swiss Cheese! " There were lots of Kids getting killed or injured"; care to give me some facts on that statement?

[darwindingo]

Take the firearm with you into the room, put it in the bed, tuck it in and climb in with it. This way it's technically within your possession

And ya missus said "Is that the fiddy or are ya just happy to see me Brett"

[AusTac]

It's only weird if it goes inside the sleeping bag

[sungazer]

I dont know where to go to find the stats but I grew up in that period and it was in the news a lot. I am pretty sure the keep the guns locked in a cupboard came into effect well before the 96 rules. Back then a clothes locker like you would have at work or school were acceptable.

[darwindingo]

It's only weird if it goes inside the sleeping bag

What ever happens in the sleeping bag stays in the sleeping bag It could get a little weird and hard to explain if the gun reported you for touching it in an inappropriate way though

[Archie]

they informed me that it is an offence to leave a firearm unattended in a vehicle even if properly secured.Storing them in your motel room also breaches storage requirement

Someone has finally come up with a system so stupid it even makes NSW look good.

I've never understood in particular why of all the states, WA was the one to go totally off the deep-end on firearm restrictions. Huge tracts of rural and bush areas, smaller % of urbanised population than the east (a bit smaller anyway), but they go nuts and its Victoria that stands out as fairly reasonable. Is there any reason for that?

[Wombat]

I dont know where to go to find the stats but I grew up in that period and it was in the news a lot. I am pretty sure the keep the guns locked in a cupboard came into effect well before the 96 rules. Back then a clothes locker like you would have at work or school were acceptable.

Victorias rules got changed after Hoddle St, if I remember correctly that is when the lockable storage requirement was brought in.

[Oldbloke]

I dont know where to go to find the stats but I grew up in that period and it was in the news a lot. I am pretty sure the keep the guns locked in a cupboard came into effect well before the 96 rules. Back then a clothes locker like you would have at work or school were acceptable.

Victorias rules got changed after Hoddle St, if I remember correctly that is when the lockable storage requirement was brought in.

Correct and the argument was to keep children from accessing. And that always made sense.

But now it's moving towards stopping theft and it's our fault if someone breaks in and steal's them.

[Baitlayer]

Well, I've waited this long. Another couple of months will give me more to plan my acquisitions.Maybe a nice CZ 452 22lr or I could checkout the new Tikka rimfire or maybe a Lithgow.And then a lefty Savage 10 in a MDT ESS chassis.Maybe 6.5 creedmore.A nice shottie then maybe something heavy 300WSM.So many choices! Oh and a good safe.Then I can learn to reload and buy all the stuff for that.Um might need a bigger house.Oh well Sort it out when we get there.In the mean time Keep dreaming and scheming.

[Oldbloke]

I dont know where to go to find the stats but I grew up in that period and it was in the news a lot. I am pretty sure the keep the guns locked in a cupboard came into effect well before the 96 rules. Back then a clothes locker like you would have at work or school were acceptable.

He is fairly close to the mark. The initial reason was to keep them from kids. And 96 sounds about the right year. There were a few instances of kids shooting other kids. But I have no stats to prove it. A school locker or wardrobe was OK. If you read the Vic Regs it still says wooden or steel container that's difficult to open. No mention of a safe.

I have never had an issue with the above. But forcing us to prevent theft is a big step.

[bigfellascott]

Ya never hear of the crims having storage issues and being busted for doing the wrong thing hey. Makes ya wonder if you don't say anything about how you are storing them when you are away from home how would they know if you're doing it legally or not?

[Oldbloke]

Ya never hear of the crims having storage issues and being busted for doing the wrong thing hey. Makes ya wonder if you don't say anything about how you are storing them when you are away from home how would they know if you're doing it legally or not?

Yeah, unless you get pulled over and the cops search your car, or the motel room how would they know?

[Wombat]

Ya never hear of the crims having storage issues and being busted for doing the wrong thing hey. Makes ya wonder if you don't say anything about how you are storing them when you are away from home how would they know if you're doing it legally or not?

Yeah, unless you get pulled over and the cops search your car, or the motel room how would they know?

If your car was stolen or broken into or your Motel room gets broken into while you are having dinner etc and your Guns get stolen.

[Oldbloke]

"If your car was stolen or broken into or your Motel room gets broken into while you are having dinner etc and your Guns get stolen. "

It will be my fault. Not the criminals.

[bigfellascott]

Ya never hear of the crims having storage issues and being busted for doing the wrong thing hey. Makes ya wonder if you don't say anything about how you are storing them when you are away from home how would they know if you're doing it legally or not?

Yeah, unless you get pulled over and the cops search your car, or the motel room how would they know?

If your car was stolen or broken into or your Motel room gets broken into while you are having dinner etc and your Guns get stolen.

Haven't heard of home delivery? great way to avoid having to leave valuables alone (if I'm traveling with em I don't leave em alone, usually there is someone who is there in the room with em) so no real theft issues there. Just comes down to common sense really, which sadly is rarer than rocking horse s**t these days!

[Wombat]

"If your car was stolen or broken into or your Motel room gets broken into while you are having dinner etc and your Guns get stolen. "

It will be my fault. Not the criminals.

Sadly in the eyes of Vicpol probably yes, and then they will come for whatever wasn't stolen

[Wombat]

Ya never hear of the crims having storage issues and being busted for doing the wrong thing hey. Makes ya wonder if you don't say anything about how you are storing them when you are away from home how would they know if you're doing it legally or not?

Yeah, unless you get pulled over and the cops search your car, or the motel room how would they know?

If your car was stolen or broken into or your Motel room gets broken into while you are having dinner etc and your Guns get stolen.

Haven't heard of home delivery? great way to avoid having to leave valuables alone (if I'm traveling with em I don't leave em alone, usually there is someone who is there in the room with em) so no real theft issues there. Just comes down to common sense really, which sadly is rarer than rocking horse s**t these days!

I'm just putting a scenario where the police would have to be notified of the storage, not questioning your common sense. In fact I have left firearms locked in a vehicle to eat a meal or when it was the best choice available overnight.

[duncan61]

Reality check.You take it in the room on your first trip in and put it in its gunbag in the bed ,Then you get the rest of your baggage and you sleep with it.You are still in possesion.I pro roo shot in the gascoyne for more than 5 years and was often pulled up coming in to Carnarvon with my .222 on the dash with one up the spout and they can not seize the rifle .they have no right to touch it .Its like marked fishing gear like pots and nets only the licence holder can touch the gear.police have little to no idea of the firearms rules.I have told this tale before but I will do it again.My son and I took my youngest daughter and her friend to Coral bay as they were on holiday from England.We pulled up at the toilet block on Babbage Island in Carnarvon and they slept on the front seats my son was in the back of the ute and I swagged it 5 feet from the car.About 5.30 am lights painted over us then 2 rangers and a policeman appeared.I had my .222 full of crackers on its bipod next to me.The officer tried to make a big deal of it and asked why I had it but I had the paperwork for Warroora station to cull roos with me.Fair reason.When asked why it was loaded as I unloaded I responded that my daughter is here and I know this town well I am going to win the fight.The moral of the story if you are out bush its casual but I would not drive in the suburbs with a rifle on the dash.When we go to the farm down south we secure all the rifles minus bolts and ammo in a gun safe teck screwed to the trailer floor.One of us sits on it in turn when refuelling/getting food at Baldivis roadhouse.Bottom line if you are awake and holding it you are not doing anything wrong.Never give the police ammo or firearms to be helpfull I learned that lesson the hard way

[Daddybang]

So ya allowed to drive around in wa with a loaded firearm in the vehicle?? Sorry but that don't sound right
(My mum worked for hedland police for six years and my best mate is from boddington and they both reckon it's not right)

[tom604]

for South Australia only.

Short-term, temporary storage of firearms and ammunition
When you are in possession of your firearm(s) and away from the place
where your firearm(s) are normally kept (e.g. away from home on a
hunting trip) you must secure your firearm(s) or ammunition by using the
best means reasonably available to you in the circumstances.
TRANSPORT OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
When you are transporting a firearm(s) or ammunition in a vehicle, vessel
or aircraft:
• the firearm must be unloaded;
• all reasonable precautions must be taken to prevent the firearm
or ammunition from being lost, stolen or coming into the possession
of an unauthorised person;
• the firearm or ammunition must be securely locked in any available
boot, glove box, cupboard, compartment or container in which the
firearm or ammunition may be locked;
• where more than 1 such compartment or container, etc. is available
the firearm(s) and ammunition must be secured separately unless it
is not reasonably practicable in the circumstances, or to do so would
not be utilising the best security means available;
• if not in a locked compartment, etc. the firearm or ammunition must,
so far as reasonably practicable, be covered, concealed or otherwise
placed out of sight;
• unless not reasonably practicable or unlawful, firearms or ammunition
must not be transported in a container marked such that indicates it
contains a firearm or ammunition.
Your firearm must not be left in an unattended vehicle, vessel or aircraft
unless you have a reasonable excuse in the circumstances; and the
vehicle, etc. is securely locked; and not left unattended for longer than is
reasonably necessary in the circumstances.

[feedr]

Read the legislation and just act on that. At least you have something to fall back onto in court.

Apparently not so much?

https://ssaa.org.au/news-resources/fire ... -firearms/

Western Australia

Apart from Schedule 4 of the Western Australian Firearms Regulations 1974, WA has no specific regulation regarding travelling with firearms. However, you can refer to the fact sheet ‘Firearm Storage Requirements’ via the WA firearms registry website, and the Firearms Act Section 24 does provide a lengthy explanation of police powers regarding inspection of licences, firearms and ammunition.

Section 23 of the Act describes offences regarding carriage and safe storage of firearms and also the requirement to allow police to inspect safe storage facilities. In short: A person who, being responsible for the storage of any firearm or ammunition, fails to provide and use adequate storage facilities to ensure its safety; or where prescribed requirements as to security are specified in relation to a firearm or ammunition of a prescribed kind, to ensure that those requirements are observed; or otherwise, to safeguard it from loss or improper use; or being responsible for the storage of any firearm or ammunition, refuses to permit a member of the police force to inspect the storage facilities provided, at a reasonable time after such an inspection is requested in writing by the member of the police force, commits an offence.

Hmmm

[feedr]

was often pulled up coming in to Carnarvon with my .222 on the dash with one up the spout

So ya allowed to drive around in wa with a loaded firearm in the vehicle?? Sorry but that don't sound right
(My mum worked for hedland police for six years and my best mate is from boddington and they both reckon it's not right)

Right or wrong that's just plain stupid.

[duncan61]

I feel the need to clarify.My roo ute was a Nissan patrol with racks and a rest on the door.Like about a dozen other vehicles in town I am obviously a roo shooter.there is an access road into south Carnarvon called Sydney memorial drive after the navy ship that was sunk of the coast at Quobba.The all night servo is on the corner of the northern hwy and the other road into town.The police stake out Sydney drive and pull people going north and south so I was stopped sometimes.The turnover of police in Carnarvon is rapid so as soon as you know a few new ones come.The box I delivered the roos to was on the north bank of the river and I could cull on the other side so I was passing through.If I needed fuel or food I would stop short of the servo and lock my rifle in the gun safe that was part of the support for the rack.Not long ago there was a topic started about what happens if you are cleaning your rifle and the police show up.The answer is its yours you are allowed to have it out the box for christs sake.I am not suggesting that its O.K. to strut around in public just drop the paranoia.If the police wished to disarm the public they would petition the Government and all private ownership would be outlawed.We have a perfectly good working system for firearm ownership,I am about to aquire a new calibre its not that hard

[Daddybang]

I .I am not suggesting that its O.K. to strut around in public just drop the paranoia.If the police wished to disarm the public they would petition the Government and all private ownership would be outlawed.We have a perfectly good working system for firearm ownership,I am about to aquire a new calibre its not that hard

Drop the paranoia????
Duncan you stated that ya were driving on a public road with ya rifle loaded on the dash.
It may be "yours" but only if ya follow the law. And what ya described in ya first post was clearly against the law.
Maybe ya should be more careful with the what ya post!

[duncan61]

I will drop out of this topic as it is too hard to explain in this way.The point is it depends where you are I am sure in N.T. there are vehicles getting around with gunracks on the back window you just dont take your girlfriend to the movies in Darwin with your gear on the racks

[Daddybang]

Nope no one is driving around on a public road with full gun racks in the NT.

[Westaussieguy]

'When travelling with firearms you should take precautions to minimise the
likelihood of unauthorised access or theft. Depending on the
circumstances it may be more secure to lock your firearms up within your
temporary accommodation (motel room, guestroom) rather than leaving
them locked in your car. Give careful thought to how you will secure your
firearm before leaving on your trip and take appropriate trigger locks,
chains or padlocks with you.
If travelling interstate it is important to remember that each State and
Territory has its own firearms legislation. It may be that the regulations
pertaining to transporting firearms and ammunition in your State or
Territory differ slightly to those in the State or Territory to which you are
travelling. It is important to contact the relevant Firearms Registry before
travelling interstate.'
This is direct from the Nation Firearms Safety code and that is used for the Firearms Awareness Certificate test that we give in W.A

Question 19. When travelling and carrying firearms and ammunition in a vehicle how should they be stored overnight?

The correct answer is D: In a secure container in your motel room or other accommodation also ensure the container is secured within the room.

I give this test and issue certificates almost everyday at work, so take from it what you will.
This certificate is used for the first application and issue of a firearms licence in WA and you need a 100% pass mark.
So I assume that if it is required for the test and pass it would be the requirements in the state. But that is logical and logic doesn't seem to have much to do with the application of the law in regards to firearms.

[holden4th]

Duncan61, there is nothing to stop you storing your firearms safely before you reach town, the Roadhouse, whatever. You are plainly in breach of the law and what happens when one of those children who travels with you decides to get a bit adventurous with your easily available firearms. "...was often pulled up coming in to Carnarvon with my .222 on the dash with one up the spout". I've got a mate who lived and shot in Carnarvon and he described shooters like you as irresponsible d**kheads. So please, withdraw from this conversation.