bigpete wrote:I tend to agree. There are some laws that piss me off but on the whole I'm not too dissatisfied. But I hate the whole guilty till proven innocent stigma attached to being a LAFO these days.
trekin wrote:"And let's face it semi auto really falls into the category of "I just want one"."
"I just want one", but I won't go and get one because I am law abiding, and because that same law (here in QLD) will punish me worse, because I have a licence, than someone who is unlicenced.
Of course, I could surrender my licences, sell all my firearms, then go and buy a blackmacket semi, become a paperwork criminal whose only worry is how much the wet lettuce will tickle before walking out of the courthouse and buying another.
The laws relating to firearms, no matter which State you are from, have done nothing, zip, nada to make the citizens of this country any safer.
slickncghia wrote:
I'd be happy if we had a no obligation to retreat , lethal force, life or property style law within the domain of my house.
Gwion wrote:You already have all those things
slickncghia wrote:My main issue among many is we don't have a right to self defence in aus. It's more of a mitigating circumstance
I'd be happy if we had a no obligation to retreat , lethal force, life or property style law within the domain of my house.
I can make peace with most of the rest. But not being able to utilize tools to protect myself and family from blokes kicking my door in at 2am is in my eyes ridiculous.
Gwion wrote:trekin wrote:"And let's face it semi auto really falls into the category of "I just want one"."
"I just want one", but I won't go and get one because I am law abiding, and because that same law (here in QLD) will punish me worse, because I have a licence, than someone who is unlicenced.
Of course, I could surrender my licences, sell all my firearms, then go and buy a blackmacket semi, become a paperwork criminal whose only worry is how much the wet lettuce will tickle before walking out of the courthouse and buying another.
The laws relating to firearms, no matter which State you are from, have done nothing, zip, nada to make the citizens of this country any safer.
Yep. They definitely need to crack down on illicit gun ownership a nd use. Make illegal use of guns heavily punishable.
But.
If you think it's that easy to procure blackmarket guns i invite you to go try. And, if you succeed, i question your claim of being a law abiding firearms owner because crims won't just deal with anyone that asks and if you think buying a hot semi or hand gun is easy i contest you are dealing with criminals already.
sungazer wrote:With the rules that the majority on this forum seem to accept as at least in good practice to prevent child deaths. The whole self defense purpose goes out the window.
Intruder kicks you door in at 2 am, first you have to wake up and become thinking and process what may be going on. Intruder is probably now at the foot of your bed. You still have to get out of bed, find the key to the safe, get to the safe and open it.
Then with the rules that many would like to see gone the ammo stored in a different room in another locked container, magazines stored empty somewhere else. Absolutely no time to do all this and confront an intruder on equal terms.
trekin wrote:So what you are saying, is that because I've worked as an assistant shotfirer in the distant past, and the knowledge gained from attending school back in the day when real chemistry was taught, that you would consider me to be terrorist just waiting to blow people up. This I expect from the antis, the Govt, and the police, but I must say to hear it from someone within our own ranks rates pretty low on my list.
The laws, as they stand, only effect, and are only abided by, those who choose to not break them.
Gwion wrote:trekin wrote:So what you are saying, is that because I've worked as an assistant shotfirer in the distant past, and the knowledge gained from attending school back in the day when real chemistry was taught, that you would consider me to be terrorist just waiting to blow people up. This I expect from the antis, the Govt, and the police, but I must say to hear it from someone within our own ranks rates pretty low on my list.
The laws, as they stand, only effect, and are only abided by, those who choose to not break them.
That is a crazy and pointless analogy. Having an industrial skill or knowledge is in no way analogous to wilfully breaking the law (having un-registered firearms).
OK, so you don't break the law but if it is easy for you to get a semi-auto with out a catC or carD, then you know people who do.
Do tell us: hypothetically: these people who are so numerous with semi-autos to sell to any and all takers; would they sell me one if I just walked up and asked them in the pub? Would they sell one to someone they thought was potentially another Martin Bryant?
I think you know the answers to both those questions is no.
So, it's not as easy as some of you like to make out to procure illegal weapons. You have to spend time gaining the trust of the crim who sells them and risk the repercussions if you screw up and bring attention to them.
Like it or not; it is the law and if you or your friends decide to ignore it you are in breach of the law and guilty of an offence. If you were truly "law abiding" you would hand the guns in or sell them in an amnesty.
southeast varmiter wrote:Prevent child deaths? What a croc, guns have virtually no statistical presence in child deaths, ever. Try abortion. Adverse drug reactions and maternal homocide rate up there.
Second for the cucks here, with more than 300,000 untraceable semis and pistols out there why is there no massacres every week.
Here’s the cliff notes for you - guns are not a problem.
southeast varmiter wrote:Prevent child deaths? What a croc, guns have virtually no statistical presence in child deaths, ever. Try abortion. Adverse drug reactions and maternal homocide rate up there.
Second for the cucks here, with more than 300,000 untraceable semis and pistols out there why is there no massacres every week.
Here’s the cliff notes for you - guns are not a problem.
allthegearandnoidea wrote:If I need to bust a mob of pigs Ill buy a lever action.
Gwion wrote:I never said you were a criminal. I said that if it was easy for you to acquire illegal firarms then you are skating on the edge of the law.
I personally believe that anyone who claims it is easy for the average joe (let a lone an average nuttervready to snap and let loose in public) to acquire illicit semi auto firearms is completely full of unsubstantiated hyperbole.
sungazer wrote:Intruder kicks you door in at 2 am, first you have to wake up and become thinking and process what may be going on. Intruder is probably now at the foot of your bed. You still have to get out of bed, find the key to the safe, get to the safe and open it.
Then with the rules that many would like to see gone the ammo stored in a different room in another locked container, magazines stored empty somewhere else. Absolutely no time to do all this and confront an intruder on equal terms.