SSAA supporting a semiautomatic ban?

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SSAA supporting a semiautomatic ban?

Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 8:22 am

https://youtu.be/8ErJOSxjO9w

Watch it. Think about it. Now, I know there are a few friends of SSAA Board people here. Maybe you should bring this to their attention?

Maybe, they will write a response to this, like they did for SFFP? Would be good to see, because SSAA supporting semi ban, is crazy! Right? According to Rudd, they've supported the '96 buyback too.

So, any response from SSAA?
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Post by brett1868 » 08 Mar 2018, 9:15 am

juststarting wrote:https://youtu.be/8ErJOSxjO9w

Watch it. Think about it. Now, I know there are a few friends of SSAA Board people here. Maybe you should bring this to their attention?

Maybe, they will write a response to this, like they did for SFFP? Would be good to see, because SSAA supporting semi ban, is crazy! Right? According to Rudd, they've supported the '96 buyback too.

So, any response from SSAA?


Wasn't a lot of actual "Truth" in that interview....KRudd has negative credibility and in fact no longer resides in Australia.
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Post by Daddybang » 08 Mar 2018, 9:35 am

Ssaa need to come out and publicly refute this in the mainstream media. Will be interesting to see if they respond. :drinks:
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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 9:46 am

Absolutely, I have no doubt, Brett. But like Daddybang said, they need to denounce it in the media ASAP.

99% of people on this forum know that it's all a lie.
99% of people outside of this forum, so, everyone, think it's exactly how it is.

If nothing else, SSAA should use this as a PR opportunity. They can sling s**t at each other, they can respond to this...
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Post by brett1868 » 08 Mar 2018, 10:19 am

Nick Harvey has publicly stated that he didn't see any need for civilians to have semi automatic centrefire rifles. Maybe this is what they understood to be the SSAA's view? Harvey being a FUDD is why I don't have or recommend his books....
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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 10:25 am

Deflection, Brett. He said what he said. He was crystal clear in his message. It's reasonable for SSAA to come out and correct it. No? Like fact check...
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Post by marksman » 08 Mar 2018, 10:26 am

what krudd said about the ssaa involvement in trading off our right to own certain firearms is true,
anyone who has been around long enough to have seen the stealback rally's know what we were told by the ssaa and other clubs
"it's going to happen anyway" "if we look after it they wont take everything off us"
the ssaa did a lot of deals and still do, trying to manipulate for there own advantage, the stealback made the ssaa a lot of money
http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ ... yvmho.html

to be fair I should say to that the field and game sold out the semi auto and pump shotguns as long as they could have the under and over
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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 10:38 am

Marksman, I don't hide my strong feelings about SSAA incompetence, self serving tactics or... But I base my opinion on available data and look at things objectively. They were at the right place at the right time. As they say, correlation is not causation. So there is no need to look for connections or conspiracy theories. Just at the right place and positioned themselves well when the opportunity came up (Occam's razor). There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

However, now, it's a different ball game. Someone with a highly visible PR platform made a clear statement about their principles and stance. And they must come out swinging, if that's incorrect.

Pretty simple in my book, alternative is concensuss through silence.

Think I'll raise it with my sub-club too. Should be interesting.
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Post by RoginaJack » 08 Mar 2018, 10:49 am

Not only the SSAA, there are many clubs that the membership has grown due to the implementation of the National Firearms Agreement.

What amazes and annoys me is the statement that " semi and automatic weapons were prohibited." To the best of my knowledge "Automatic " weapons were never permitted and the weapon used at Port Arthur was, is and always has been a prohibited weapon.
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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 10:52 am

No need to be amazed. A lefty is being interviewed by a lefty. They will buy whatever he is selling, but it shouldn't go unnoticed or unchecked.
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Post by marksman » 08 Mar 2018, 11:08 am

sry but
I do see a definite problem with the ssaa using a situation to help themselves out when it goes against there members and there values
it is an unscrupulous act that has not been forgotten by those who know, I don't see the ssaa members happy with what they did?
the ssaa is a non for profit, supposed to be there for the members, all of them
you are right in that the ssaa should respond to krudd, that I would be very happy to see, they need to own it
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Post by Daddybang » 08 Mar 2018, 11:17 am

juststarting wrote:However, now, it's a different ball game. Someone with a highly visible PR platform made a clear statement about their principles and stance. And they must come out swinging, if that's incorrect.

Pretty simple in my book, alternative is concensuss through silence.


And this pretty much sums it up. :drinks:
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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 1:12 pm

bentaz wrote:Too busy working in the background, lol!
Stand up publicly for members, ain't nobody got time for that...........


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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 1:19 pm

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Post by Cryptic » 08 Mar 2018, 4:15 pm

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Post by bigrich » 08 Mar 2018, 4:33 pm

juststarting wrote:No need to be amazed. A lefty is being interviewed by a lefty. They will buy whatever he is selling, but it shouldn't go unnoticed or unchecked.


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Post by Daddybang » 08 Mar 2018, 5:08 pm

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Post by Bent Arrow » 08 Mar 2018, 5:15 pm

On ABC radio in Adelaide yesterday evening they interviewed Sam Lee and David Handyside (former president of SA branch of the SSAA). I missed the opening moments, but I gather it was triggered by the liberal party promise to review gun laws in Tasmania. Whilst David did point out quite bluntly that the majority of what Sam was saying was complete rubbish, he did not really set the record straight, and said that he believed SA gun laws were better now than before the changes that were implemented last year, and that there is no need for any changes / improvements. In my opinion he missed a great opportunity on prime time radio to put forward some good points. I'd guess that if they can't put forward a good discussion during what actually wasn't an out and out anti-gun bash on ABC radio, we won't see them coming out and making much noise about this video.
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Post by juststarting » 08 Mar 2018, 5:21 pm

They need to hire PR people. This amateur hour on their budget is tragic.
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Post by Stix » 08 Mar 2018, 6:56 pm

juststarting wrote:They need to hire PR people. This amateur hour on their budget is tragic.


Oh god...SSAA PR people...please not more of them...

I often bang on about it now being fashionable to be offended...well the SSAA pr folk are some of the worst...or should i say best at it...!!!
Nearly everything they write is about them being offended...
From my point of view its embarrasing that they admit they & their members are offended at some really petty & stupid things...

No point them getting more PR people until that precious attitude & culture has been bred out, in favour of some gutsy smarts that dont cry on paper & look like an immature minority ...!!!
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Post by sorefeet » 31 Aug 2018, 7:00 am

Someone will lose their job after this truth leak

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Post by Wombat » 31 Aug 2018, 8:57 am

RoginaJack wrote:Not only the SSAA, there are many clubs that the membership has grown due to the implementation of the National Firearms Agreement.

What amazes and annoys me is the statement that " semi and automatic weapons were prohibited." To the best of my knowledge "Automatic " weapons were never permitted and the weapon used at Port Arthur was, is and always has been a prohibited weapon.

Full Auto was legal in Tasmania, but that changed years before PAM. I think that QLD also permitted some Full Auto civilian ownership in the past.
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Post by RoginaJack » 31 Aug 2018, 3:16 pm

Hi Wombat, Any more details on full auto ownership in Tassie and Qld.?
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Post by Wombat » 31 Aug 2018, 6:58 pm

I know about the Tassie laws because of a girl who came to stay with me for a while. I warned her there were some guns under the bed, she had a look and laughed at me. Apparently she had a Owen or Austen (I cant remember which) loaded under her bed in Hobart :shock:
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Post by bigrich » 01 Sep 2018, 5:19 am

Wombat wrote:I know about the Tassie laws because of a girl who came to stay with me for a while. I warned her there were some guns under the bed, she had a look and laughed at me. Apparently she had a Owen or Austen (I cant remember which) loaded under her bed in Hobart :shock:
*All Legal at the Time*

http://crg.aic.gov.au/reports/28-91.pdf


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Post by bullzeye » 03 Sep 2018, 6:53 am

Geoff Jones, SSAA President does not support a semi-auto ban - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ3yGsVoUVU

Ignore what Kevin Rudd said..
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Post by No1_49er » 03 Sep 2018, 7:55 pm

Interesting discussion.
But why, at 11:38 in the video, was it necessary for Geoff to state that suppressors "can be regulated". There is absolutely no need to "regulate" them. That simply suggests that some bureaucratic process (tax) will make them OK.
Look at the NZ model - just go and buy one, and please keep your noise down!
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Post by Davo86 » 04 Sep 2018, 7:07 pm

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