Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

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Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by YoungBuck » 14 Mar 2018, 6:50 pm

Will be getting into reloading over the next few weeks, have now got most of the gear.
Probably an obvious question to some and is probably answered on the forum somewhere but I can't find it. Can I legally store my once fired brass (with spent primer still attached) on the table with my reloading gear? Or do I still need to legally keep these in the safe until the spent primer is removed?
Logic tells me the spent brass should be fine on the table, but Aus gun laws can be a bit...you know...
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by Stix » 14 Mar 2018, 7:10 pm

bentaz wrote:Soviet socialist republic of western Australia.


:lol: love it...!

As for your brass---the way i look at it is, if its gun related stuff & either burns or goes bang, lock it up...!! :thumbsup:

But you're right in the laws here--if im not mistaken here in SA up until 1st July last year you could keep projectiles anywhere but air rifle pellets had to locked away...! :crazy:
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by marksman » 14 Mar 2018, 8:04 pm

bentaz wrote:Yeah mate once they're shot they are legally scrap metal, stick anywhere you want!
I think they're only a problem in the Soviet socialist republic of western Australia.


he's right, just says it in a very funny way :lol: :lol:
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Post by Oldbloke » 14 Mar 2018, 8:08 pm

bentaz wrote:Yeah mate once they're shot they are legally scrap metal, stick anywhere you want!
I think they're only a problem in the Soviet socialist republic of western Australia.


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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by YoungBuck » 16 Mar 2018, 3:43 pm

Thanks for the info gents, is it the same in reverse? Not considered a live round until it's complete (primer, powder and projectile)?
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Post by YoungBuck » 16 Mar 2018, 5:27 pm

bentaz wrote:Primers and powder are considered ammo and need to be stored correctly, brass and pills are just scrap still till you load em up.

Are you saying individual my box of primers and powder need to be locked up the same as ammo? :huh:
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by TheDude » 16 Mar 2018, 6:51 pm

YoungBuck wrote:
bentaz wrote:Primers and powder are considered ammo and need to be stored correctly, brass and pills are just scrap still till you load em up.

Are you saying individual my box of primers and powder need to be locked up the same as ammo? :huh:


Yep. Primers, primed brass (unfired) and powder needs to be stored same as loaded ammo
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Post by Oldbloke » 16 Mar 2018, 7:28 pm

YB the requirement is just that they be locked away. Not the same as firearms. A locked filing cabinet or tool box is OK.
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by Stix » 17 Mar 2018, 8:45 am

Stix wrote:if its gun related stuff & either burns or goes bang, lock it up...


bentaz wrote:Primers and powder are considered ammo and need to be stored correctly, brass and pills are just scrap still till you load em up.


YoungBuck wrote:Thanks for the info gents, is it the same in reverse? Not considered a live round until it's complete (primer, powder and projectile)?


Yes its still the same if you put your primer in backwards... :lol:
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by winton » 13 Apr 2018, 4:21 pm

bentaz wrote:Primers and powder are considered ammo and need to be stored correctly, brass and pills are just scrap still till you load em up.


Does powder need to be locked up in VIC?
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by bigM » 20 May 2018, 2:00 pm

Fired cases are scrap metal with no storage requirements in NSW.

There are no storage requirements for projectiles in NSW.

Primers and Powder are not ammunition in NSW nor is their storage under the jurisdiction of the NSW Police.
You are required to store your primers and powder in a place that is 'inaccessible to unauthorized persons' ie lock it up.

Note it is dangerous to store powder in a strong pressure vessel ie a safe.
You want a container that can blow out at low pressures.
US powder manufacturers recommend a wooden cabinet (1 inch thick walls).
Filing cabinets or sheet metal cabinets are widely used in NSW.

There are 4 components; case, primer, powder and projectile.
To be considered ammunition (in NSW) you need to have an assembled case, primer and projectile (with or without powder).

There is no restriction on the number of rounds of loaded ammunition you may possess in NSW
(you must have registered firearm in each calibre that you possess ammunition for).
There is no restriction on the number of primers in NSW.
You may only possess 12kg of powder in NSW (unless you have a powder magazine permit with additional storage requirements).

In ACT I believe the following is the case;
You may possess 10,000 rounds of ammunition.
You may possess 10,000 primers.
You may possess 10kg of powder.
If you are in ACT check this info before relying on it.
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by brett1868 » 20 May 2018, 8:55 pm

You may only possess 12kg of powder in NSW (unless you have a powder magazine permit with additional storage requirements).

Correct
https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2013/476/part3/div4/subdiv2/sec48

There is no restriction on the number of rounds of loaded ammunition you may possess in NSW
(you must have registered firearm in each calibre that you possess ammunition for).


Not quite right, The key thing being the word "or" in (a). I can and do possess ammunition for rifles I do not own and it's perfectly legal as I hold a license that has Cat A & B which pretty much covers ammunition. Pistol ammo is a different ball game and gets complicated where you have rifles chambered in the same calibers such as 38Spl, 357Mag, 44Mag and several others.
A person must not possess ammunition for any firearm unless the person:
(a) is the holder of a licence or permit for a firearm which takes that ammunition, or
(b) is authorised to possess it by a permit.


https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/act/1996/46/part6/sec65
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by bigM » 21 May 2018, 7:56 pm

I only have an H license so my info on possession of different calibres of ammo may be a bit off.
Because I only have an H license I have to show the rego papers of my 22lr pistol to legally purchase 22lr ammunition
(yes, I know some dealers do not ask for 22lr).
Note if I had a cat A as well this would not be required even if I owned no rifles.
NSW has some odd ammunition laws.
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Re: Storage of once fired brass (not de-primed)

Post by brett1868 » 21 May 2018, 9:46 pm

bigM wrote:I only have an H license so my info on possession of different calibres of ammo may be a bit off.
Because I only have an H license I have to show the rego papers of my 22lr pistol to legally purchase 22lr ammunition
(yes, I know some dealers do not ask for 22lr).
Note if I had a cat A as well this would not be required even if I owned no rifles.
NSW has some odd ammunition laws.


It's get's even more stupid, the law was aimed at preventing the criminal types from obtaining ammo for their illegal pistols but there's no laws around making your own.

You Sydney based by any chance?
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Post by bigM » 21 May 2018, 10:00 pm

brett1868 wrote:It's get's even more stupid, the law was aimed at preventing the criminal types from obtaining ammo for their illegal pistols but there's no laws around making your own.

You Sydney based by any chance?


Dont speak too loudly; certain types were recently pushing registration of loading presses before it was dropped.

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