W.A. tragedy

[Angel]

Yep unfortunately the stats on family violence are very grim in australia. I used to live in a country town in vic and off hand the coppers spent most of their time dealing with family violence issues.

Also can we not call it mass shooting... its murder/suicide... was gun this time but if no guns could have been any of a million other things.

Exactly Ziad... Could have been a blade, a car, water.. anything. D.V. is the issue here... not the Gun.

[Daddybang]

Unfortunately it's looking like the grandfather has done it

[southeast varmiter]

Unfortunately it's looking like the grandfather has done it

So they tell us. Doesn’t add up.

[Angel]

ABC just reporting he was licenced. Not that it matters. Damn tragedy.

[MrMickyD]

Maybe lets reserve judgement - and not worry about any anti-gun agendas - until the facts become clearer. It hasn't turned into an anti-firearm spin yet, and we don't know any of the details. All anyone really knows yet is that its an awful event.

The clearest thing you can infer from the coverage so far is that its most likely a murder-suicide. There's about eight suicide deaths a day in Australia - thank god most don't go like this. The key risk group, is middle-aged males - i.e. a lot of us here. So if you're going to take one thing from this story, take that and worry about what crap the media will say about guns another day. I've lost more than one friend this way, as I'm sure many of us have, and it's more often than not the tough bastard who you always thought was mentally bulletproof. So if you've been wondering about a mate being a bit quieter than normal lately or going through some s**t, maybe give them a call or go for a beer. You might never know the difference it made.

Thats really well said a lot of sense made here.

[trekin]

Yep unfortunately the stats on family violence are very grim in australia. I used to live in a country town in vic and off hand the coppers spent most of their time dealing with family violence issues.

Also can we not call it mass shooting... its murder/suicide... was gun this time but if no guns could have been any of a million other things.

Technically, it should be called a mass murder committed by an indivual using a firearm, who then suicided. It is what it is,
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MASS shooting means the number of persons shot meets or excedes that as defined (in Australia, as defined by Alpers: 5 or more killed, excluding the killer), not their relationship to each other or the killer.
Sadly, the only people I have seen arguing that this should not be called a mass shooting, are solely from within our own ranks, LAFO's. Funnily enough though, these same LAFO who would deny this event as a mass shooting because of the relationship between the victims and the shooter, are quite happy to argue the stabbing of eight children by their mother in Cairns a couple of years ago, was a mass murder.
Call it whatever you like, it is what it is, a sad and tragic event, an event that shouldn't have happened, an event that our world class gun laws would not and could not have prevented, but it is still by definition a mass shooting.

[Heckler303]

it is what it is, a sad and tragic event, an event that shouldn't have happened, an event that our world class gun laws would not and could not have prevented

If 'World Class' means PC-Leftist Approved BS, then you're right on that.

[trekin]

it is what it is, a sad and tragic event, an event that shouldn't have happened, an event that our world class gun laws would not and could not have prevented

If 'World Class' means PC-Leftist Approved BS, then you're right on that.

I'm sure that goes without saying. But either way, the laws as they are written, could not and would not, have prevented this from happening.

[Member-Deleted]

Ok gents call it what you will , mass, multiple ,what ever but '' sad and tragic'' stand out louder wouldn't you think ?

[Homer]

G'Day Fella's,

Despite what all the Gun Grabbers have been telling the world, the draconian gun laws that were introduced in 1996 have not stopped massacres in Australia, with Gun or other devices.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-11/s ... de/9751482

Further to this, as most people that were in touch with reality already knew, the draconian gun laws that were introduced in Australia in 1996, were not the reason we had not had a gun related massacre in Australia since then. This West Australian (W.A.) massacre, only and unfortunately confirms what we already knew.
We should now be holding all the Gun Grabbers responsible for this and any other criminal misuse of firearms, as they have been the ones that have been side tracking the authorities away from the real cause of these and other massacres......... Mental Health issues.

I assume because of the fact that these same draconian gun laws haven't stopped gun massacres from occurring in Australia, this has something to do with the complete lack of media coverage of this tragedy now (May 13 2018), by the mass media?
I've been listening to the radio this morning since 5am, and there has not been one news report about this W.A. gun massacre.
This is just the opposite tactics the Gun Grabbers use, when media Anti-Gun hysteria about gun massacres is of benefit to them.

RIP and FJWH!

D'oh!
Homer

[Member-Deleted]

Fair bit of truth there Homer

[bladeracer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJGP57X_XHo

[Download]

So the ABC are saying the guns were licensed but i don't see a source for the statement. I'll wait for the police to say something before believing it.

[bladeracer]

So the ABC are saying the guns were licensed but i don't see a source for the statement. I'll wait for the police to say something before believing it.

The Police clearly stated that "all three recovered firearms are legally licenced and registered to Peter Miles" in a press conference.

[bladeracer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIBjXXQR6qo

[Member-Deleted]

and here we go
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 4zexq.html

[trekin]

and here we go
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 4zexq.html

Says it all really.

[Bruiser64]

and here we go
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 4zexq.html

This bloke has clearly “thought about this stuff a lot”. He had these suggestions ready to go the moment another domestic violence tragedy happened. I view this kind of opportunism as distasteful and in very poor taste. I note the WA Premier has already put the view that (a) let’s wait until the investigation has been completed and the coroner has made their recommendation, (b) our gun laws are already very strict so their appears little to be gained in real terms from changing them and (c) there are some tragic events that external agencies can’t prevent.

People like the author of this article are in my view one trick ponies. They appear to have no acceptance that complex problems have complex solutions; if indeed there are any solutions to them. No one yet really knows what happened in relation to this tragedy. Everything in the media is speculation based upon very little real knowledge. The coverage in my view is salacious and offensive.

The suggestions this bloke makes are impractical, expensive and absurd in my opinion. Firstly he has to somehow convince the parliaments in 6 states and 2 territories this is a good idea. Then they have to fund the infrastructure and bureacracy to have law abiding citizens store their property at huge government expense at police stations. Yeah: good plan! I can imagine the joy of police officers across the land when they find out they are now employed as storeman.

Of course apart from all the practical considerations, the assault on civil rights and the political challenges that need to be overcome, there is the glaring problem that the reasons for family violence are hugely more complex than focussing on what implement a perpetrator uses to inflict it. It is just my opinion, but the anti gun crowd are self serving simplistic idiots seeking a non solution to complex problems.