NSW - Sound Moderators - Legally purchased through form P638

[Wombat]

Just saying that it doesnt take much to tame the sound if that was your intention. The old oil filter will work wonders not that i have tried. I have watched the utube. The long filters that are used in trucks and tractors would give a fair bit more than some of the short ones in use as seen on utube. The crims dont use them because the results are not like the movies.

There was those deer poachers caught recently, one of them had a suppressor

[axio]

Hey all, so I want to steer this conversation back on track. This isn't a topic about how crims can go to bunnings and assemble some pipe fittings.

We have a legal option in NSW to purchase something which can help reduce overall noise pollution and long term hearing damage. It'd be good to hear pointers from anyone whos managed to get through the paperwork.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Ok, just spoke to someone who knows, and he told me just use a pillow ob the end of the barrel, it reduces the noise from a 50bmg to near 60db... but ies only one use so Friday might be too much also attacking anything to the end of the barrel will change the point of impact

He works in Hollywood

[bladeracer]

Its good to see somebody has written an article on this, the argument is fairly academic in that suppressors are to reduce hearing loss and noise pollution.

The way I read it is they know these sort of items can easily fall into the wrong hands considering their size, thus strict storage requirements/mountains of paperwork are in place . That is understandable, however I like most people value our hearing so we really should be pursuing it now the option is there dont you think?

Why would it matter if a suppressor were to fall into the wrong hands? Anybody with nefarious intent is more likely to make their own than try to steal one, but a suppressor is not going to make their criminal firearm use any less illegal.

[bladeracer]

i was just skim reading that document and one of the pros was less stock disturbance. have a look at this. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q= ... 0rifleclub They dont seem to concerned.

I shoot centrefires regularly around our cattle and they don't pay any attention at all. The neighbour's cattle will often come and stand at the fence twenty-metres away and watch me.

[axio]

Yeh the magpies who sit literally in the line of fckning fire don't move either. But the point remains we have a real shot at this so why not pursue it for our own benefit.

[bladeracer]

Yeh the magpies who sit literally in the line of fckning fire don't move either. But the point remains we have a real shot at this so why not pursue it for our own benefit.

Agreed, but I would prefer to have the authorities try to come up with some sort of justification for why we can't have them to begin with. I've never seen anything put forward other than "public safety" but never any example of how suppressors affect public safety either way.

[axio]

It's the opposite in NSW. We have to justify why we want them. A process to acquire exists so why not use it right? You'll notice TAS is trying to push this topic as well (but with the obvious backlash lol)

Didn't a range in Vic just get shut down for 'loud noises' over go-kart tracks? I'm certain its all BS but the reality is Australia is getting smaller and compensating noise a is viable way to help keep our sport in the long term.

[darwindingo]

Yeh the magpies who sit literally in the line of fckning fire don't move either. But the point remains we have a real shot at this so why not pursue it for our own benefit.

Agreed, but I would prefer to have the authorities try to come up with some sort of justification for why we can't have them to begin with. I've never seen anything put forward other than "public safety" but never any example of how suppressors affect public safety either way.

That's the golden question BR, why cant we have them?

The standard "public safety" excuse is and has always been a total wank.... May as well say we can't possess ear muffs while they are at it

[NTSOG]

"... one of the pros [of sound moderators] was less stock disturbance."


My cattle don't react at all to rimfire or centre-fire shots even with me shooting in the same paddock, but my wife's horse is a complete nutter - if he was human he would have a psychiatric diagnosis - and runs around his paddock like a mad hare. Other horses we have had did not react to gun shots at all.

Jim

[RoginaJack]

[quote="bladeracer"

I shoot centrefires regularly around our cattle and they don't pay any attention at all. The neighbour's cattle will often come and stand at the fence twenty-metres away and watch me.[/quote]


Ah, the neighbour's cattle are very wise Bovines indead, figured out standing at fence 25 metres away is the safest place.

[bullzeye]

If you have Cat D you should be able to get one...

A very big MAYBE for Cat C license holders.

For the rest of us, forget it.

[bladeracer]

My cattle don't react at all to rimfire or centre-fire shots even with me shooting in the same paddock, but my wife's horse is a complete nutter - if he was human he would have a psychiatric diagnosis - and runs around his paddock like a mad hare. Other horses we have had did not react to gun shots at all.

Jim

Yep, I hate being around horses even when I'm not shooting, complete nutcases.

[womble]

Sorry to hijack, but a search only turned this thread up in relation.
What is the legality of an integrally suppressed barrel ?
As opposed to a “silencer” attached rendering the firearm prohibited.
Attached being the key word.

Looking at this https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/15/kgmade-ticho-cz455/

[bladeracer]

I think an integral suppressor would defeat the part of the law that that talks about "attaching" or "modifying" a firearm to reduce its signature, but I doubt anybody would get clearance to import it. Air-rifles with integral suppressors were allowed in for a very short time before the suppressors had to be gutted for importation. To defeat importation an integrally-suppressed firearm would have to be manufactured here, and I still doubt it would be allowed.

Sorry to hijack, but a search only turned this thread up in relation.
What is the legality of an integrally suppressed barrel ?
As opposed to a “silencer” attached rendering the firearm prohibited.
Attached being the key word.

Looking at this https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/15/kgmade-ticho-cz455/

[No1Mk3]

G'day wombie,
Totally illegal here in Vic, attaching has nothing to do with it. The Law is specific regarding whether it is an attachment or a built in part of the firearm, or even not part of the firearm at all (ie: shooting through a padded pipe) have a read of the Act, Section 3, Sub-Section 1, "Silencer" (page 180, Cheers.

[womble]

Thanks guys

[RoginaJack]

Yo No1Mk3, Interesting read on hourse culls, thought this might be of interest and could have something to do under "W.H.& S.?

FERAL HORSES TO BE CULLED _VIC - "Given the current circumstances, Parks Victoria will be commencing an additional technique to control horses. Small-team operations will be deployed into high-conservation priority locations where ground-based professional shooters will use thermal imaging and noise suppressors to cull free-ranging feral horses, under strict animal welfare protocols with expert equine veterinary oversight. This will complement the current bushfire recovery works that have removed more than 1,300 deer from fire impacted areas in eastern Victoria."

[Ricochet]

Edited.
A couple of years ago in Canberra the police commissioner gave the OK to use silencers or suppressors for contract shooters an a roo cull. Someone found the commissioners choice to be invalid and they then tried to have police charge all cullers who had gone ahead and used them effectively with permission from the AFP. Police commissioner put his foot down and said no way, my mistake and those shooters will not be charged.

[No1Mk3]

G'day RoginaJack,
That is a good read, and the Act does provide an exemption for pro shooters engaged in culling even though it is still very hard to get an approval and I only know of 2 people with them. If the bozos can see the clear need for the brumby cull to happen with them, why on God's Green Earth can't they see fox, dog, rabbit and roo cullers near habitation also needing them? But as I say to young folk getting into shooting, don't look for common sense in our gun laws, you will only get eye strain and a headache, Cheers.

[RoginaJack]

Apparently, the cull was carried out on a fairly regular basis over a few years and Silencers were used.

On another occasion N.Z. shooters were used for a goat cull and permission was granted for silencers use. The N.Z. boys brought the gear in with them. Their use is encouraged over there.

Why the double standards?

[Ziege]

You're better off wasting your time trying to have them legalised without needing a permit than you are arsing about trying to get approved for one

[TassieTiger]

Huge wallaby cull occurred on Maria island last year, just off Tassie east coast. There was an outcry about the planned cull, with the usuals calling for relocations etc. the govt mandated the use of suppressors so the sound did not travel across the water and antagonise the public...

[BigKev74]

Applied for mine back in April. I'm a Cat C (Primary Production) holder in an area that's pretty close to houses, it'd be great if I could get one. Yet to hear anything back, not even a whisper.

For those of you that managed to actually get it, how long did it take?

[TassieTiger]

Watch this video - This poor bugger went via the ringer and still got declined...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7h20M8IldPQ