Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2019, 2:16 pm

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For me it's like "hunting" with handgrenades :-)


Everyone knows a claymore is far more effective than a hand grenade, there instantaneous.

Thank you all for the thoughtful and thought provoking input definitely helped expand my knowledge on the concept of the smooth barrel boom stick.


Claymores would've been ideal for taking galahs and starlings coming in over the fenceline en-masse :-)

Don't get me wrong, shotguns can be good fun, but you need to accept their limitations as part of their challenge.
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by RoginaJack » 11 Aug 2019, 2:46 pm

"...don't hold shotguns in much regard for hunting, their entire premise is about increasing your ability to hit (not necessarily kill) a moving target..."
Hey Bladeracer, please keep that theory to yourself 'cause the foxes, rabbits, ducks, snakes, pigeons and feral dogs I've shot haven't heard about it yet. They just fell over dead.
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by bladeracer » 11 Aug 2019, 3:06 pm

RoginaJack wrote:"...don't hold shotguns in much regard for hunting, their entire premise is about increasing your ability to hit (not necessarily kill) a moving target..."
Hey Bladeracer, please keep that theory to yourself 'cause the foxes, rabbits, ducks, snakes, pigeons and feral dogs I've shot haven't heard about it yet. They just fell over dead.


I think I was fairly clear that it's my opinion, not theory :-)
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by cracker » 11 Aug 2019, 11:46 pm

bladeracer wrote:
CAVEMAN wrote:
For me it's like "hunting" with handgrenades :-)


Everyone knows a claymore is far more effective than a hand grenade, there instantaneous.

Thank you all for the thoughtful and thought provoking input definitely helped expand my knowledge on the concept of the smooth barrel boom stick.


Claymores would've been ideal for taking galahs and starlings coming in over the fenceline en-masse :-)

Don't get me wrong, shotguns can be good fun, but you need to accept their limitations as part of their challenge.


155mm howitzer, galahs are tough man, im taking no chances
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by CAVEMAN » 12 Aug 2019, 9:26 pm

Well here's a bit of official guideline from the QLD Government. In regards to shotguns and there use for hunting/culling.

Each model code has specific requirements for the types of firearms and ammunition
considered suitable for specific animals.

PIG003 Ground Shooting Feral Pigs - Large calibre, high-powered rifles (at
least equal to .243 performance), fitted with a telescopic sight are
recommended. Hollow-point or soft-nosed (minimum 80 grain) ammunition
should be used.12-gauge shotguns with heavy shot sizes of SG or SSG, may
be effective, but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal.


DOG003: Ground Shooting Wild Dogs - Small bore, high velocity, centre fire
rifles fitted with a telescopic sight are preferred e.g. .22-250, .22 Hornet, .222
Remington, .223 or .243 Winchester. Hollow-point or soft nosed ammunition
should always be used. • Rimfire weapons with lower muzzle energy are not
recommended because of the greater risk of non-lethal wounding. • 12-gauge
shotguns with heavy shot sizes of No. 2, SSG, BB or AAA may be effective,
but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by bladeracer » 13 Aug 2019, 8:42 am

CAVEMAN wrote:Well here's a bit of official guideline from the QLD Government. In regards to shotguns and there use for hunting/culling.

Each model code has specific requirements for the types of firearms and ammunition
considered suitable for specific animals.

PIG003 Ground Shooting Feral Pigs - Large calibre, high-powered rifles (at
least equal to .243 performance), fitted with a telescopic sight are
recommended. Hollow-point or soft-nosed (minimum 80 grain) ammunition
should be used.12-gauge shotguns with heavy shot sizes of SG or SSG, may
be effective, but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal.


DOG003: Ground Shooting Wild Dogs - Small bore, high velocity, centre fire
rifles fitted with a telescopic sight are preferred e.g. .22-250, .22 Hornet, .222
Remington, .223 or .243 Winchester. Hollow-point or soft nosed ammunition
should always be used. • Rimfire weapons with lower muzzle energy are not
recommended because of the greater risk of non-lethal wounding. • 12-gauge
shotguns with heavy shot sizes of No. 2, SSG, BB or AAA may be effective,
but only up to a distance of 20 metres from the target animal
.


Nice find. Interesting that don't mention slugs though.
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by CAVEMAN » 13 Aug 2019, 8:45 pm

Might get put down to an assumption that 1oz of hot fast lead equals no more bark or oink.
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by bladeracer » 17 Aug 2019, 12:03 pm

Might be a little bit educational - 21" and 26" barreled Remington 1187's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMqM-Ef5oBw
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by CAVEMAN » 18 Aug 2019, 1:29 pm

That definitely give's validity to a 50m range for a shotgun with the right ammo and choke setup.
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Re: Shotgun barrel length and chokes.

Post by bladeracer » 18 Aug 2019, 3:37 pm

CAVEMAN wrote:That definitely give's validity to a 50m range for a shotgun with the right ammo and choke setup.


I agree, the choke is crucial for range, but you still need to find or develop a load that works with the choke. Paul Harrell has also done some videos looking at distances possible for hunting deer with buckshot that would be worth a look.

I would order the tightest choke you can find, and start patterning.

But I still think any number of rifles are going to do a far better job at any distance.
In Victoria it is illegal to hunt deer with buckshot, you can only use slugs in a shotgun.
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