Choke warning Axor Bushpig 2.0 BP20

[NickRigby]

Picked up my new Axor Bushpig BP20 yesterday from SSAA St Marys, about a 1.5 hr drive each way. Got it home, gave it a clean ready for the weekend. I decided to take the factory fitted modified (mobil) choke tube out and put in another one. The choke tube was incredibly tight. After about 10 mins I got to the end of the thread, which I lubricated, screwed back in and left for 15 mins. Tried again, still incredibly tight. After about another 15 mins, the non thread section eventually twisted itself out. I gave the thread a clean and lubricated it, then tried to put the tube back in. It actually wouldn't fit in the barrel. Perplexed, I tried a few others, including Mobils from another gun. None would go back in. Rang the shop, they said bring back in, which I did, another 3 hr round trip. They started out "friendly sceptical" but soon turned "perplexed and concerned" when three people had a go and couldn't figure it out. They got the same model off the shelf and tried it. It did exactly the same thing. Factory fitted tube incredibly hard to get out, then tube can't be put back in. I believe the distributor is going there today to have a look and hopefully fix, eg put a new barrel on it or replace.
It's incredibly frustrating to fork out $1000 on a new item which proves faulty within minutes and you are stuck with that one because it's now registered to you.

My main point is though that if you are are buying one of these, get them to check the choke tube before you take possession of it. Both mine, and the one on the shelf did it, so it looks be an issue with a number of this model. Checking the choke tubes before taking possession isn't something I'd normally do with a new gun, and I suspect a lot of dealers don't either.
I'll see what sort of warranty support I get today and give an update, but be aware that the new Bushpig 2.0 hadn't had all the bugs ironed out.

[Finniss]

Thanks for the info. Very frustrating. Especially for a gen 2

[Wapiti]

Ah, Turkistan. A common theme is forming here. No, or very little, manufacturing pride or QA.
Because that's exactly what it is, no arguments or excuses.
F*** I hope the Suckmaster the Mrs is waiting for a PTA for isn't made on a day that ends in "day" too.
Like the Chimera rifle with the threaded chamber sold by the same mob.

Are we just the dumping ground for cheap rubbish now, while a place like the US is so proud to have home-grown stuff wherever you look, and all the big overseas names have all moved in there to make their gear?
Actually there is hope.

[NickRigby]

Update: The Axor man had a look in the shop, apparently it's a problem with the thread on the BP 20 model, so beware and check. Apparently he took the barrel off a tactical model, put it on mine, as apparently the tac model doesn't have the problem. I told them I wasn't satisfied with that, that I'd lost confidence in quality control and I wanted a refund, to which they agreed. The new BP20s are a over a month away. Wondering how much they knew before they sent them out to the shops

[perentie]

I have a Bush Pig too but It must be the Tactical as it has a plastic stock and rail. The chokes screwed in OK but I wanted a rifled one as well as others. So I cut the choke section off and rethreaded it to take the same chokes as my break action. I have a range of Carlson chokes to use now as well as a 150mm rifled one that works well.
Keith

[NickRigby]

Perentie,

Is it the BP 20 Model 2.0 ? It's the black synthetic with fibre optic sights, weaver rail, but not adjustable stock or heat shield. Both the one I bought, and the one they had on the shelf, had the same problem. It may not be all of the BP20 Mod 2.0, just suggesting that if you're buying one, don't leave the shop without testing the chokes. It also made me wonder about overall quality assurance with the brand

[NickRigby]

Agree Wapiti
I'm very happy with my straight pull Templeton T1000, shoots any load and the quality is sound. Turkish made, but it's seems to be an exception. I'd have to say my overall experience with Turkish quality has been 4/10. I think the trick is with Turkish guns, when you go in with the PTA, land they bring out the one they are going to issue you, go over it with a fine tooth comb. Check everything that can be checked, including taking the chokes out and putting back in

[perentie]

Perentie,

Is it the BP 20 Model 2.0 ? It's the black synthetic with fibre optic sights, weaver rail, but not adjustable stock or heat shield. Both the one I bought, and the one they had on the shelf, had the same problem. It may not be all of the BP20 Mod 2.0, just suggesting that if you're buying one, don't leave the shop without testing the chokes. It also made me wonder about overall quality assurance with the brand

Mine is a folding one with the shell holders under the butt and adjustable comb. It did have a heat shield until I shortened the barrel. Had no trouble with it but mainly shooting home grown slug loads.

[mchughcb]

Ah, Turkistan. A common theme is forming here. No, or very little, manufacturing pride or QA.
Because that's exactly what it is, no arguments or excuses.
F*** I hope the Suckmaster the Mrs is waiting for a PTA for isn't made on a day that ends in "day" too.
Like the Chimera rifle with the threaded chamber sold by the same mob.

Are we just the dumping ground for cheap rubbish now, while a place like the US is so proud to have home-grown stuff wherever you look, and all the big overseas names have all moved in there to make their gear?
Actually there is hope.

I don't know about that. All the Templeton 1000 I fired still work. I have a webley and Scott sxs 20g and it's still locks up tight after 8 years and I paid $950. I have a chiappa triple crown 20G and that has been through the wars in the last 2 years.

Sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes worse. The 2 verny carron Veloce I've used , one had a bad magazine feed problem and the other blew the barrel out near the choke and replaced under warranty. They cost $3500 compared to the T2000 of which I've seen only one problem on the first run and was fixed under warranty.

[Wapiti]

Ah, Turkistan. A common theme is forming here. No, or very little, manufacturing pride or QA.
Because that's exactly what it is, no arguments or excuses.
F*** I hope the Suckmaster the Mrs is waiting for a PTA for isn't made on a day that ends in "day" too.
Like the Chimera rifle with the threaded chamber sold by the same mob.

Are we just the dumping ground for cheap rubbish now, while a place like the US is so proud to have home-grown stuff wherever you look, and all the big overseas names have all moved in there to make their gear?
Actually there is hope.

I don't know about that. All the Templeton 1000 I fired still work. I have a webley and Scott sxs 20g and it's still locks up tight after 8 years and I paid $950. I have a chiappa triple crown 20G and that has been through the wars in the last 2 years.

Sometimes you get what you pay for and sometimes worse. The 2 verny carron Veloce I've used , one had a bad magazine feed problem and the other blew the barrel out near the choke and replaced under warranty. They cost $3500 compared to the T2000 of which I've seen only one problem on the first run and was fixed under warranty.

You make some good points and I have to agree to some, but just look at the comments from blokes being honest above, just because these guns come from a place where wages and manufacturing costs are down, there's no reason not to have adequate QA and use the customer to find out if they get a working example or not.
I was discussing that with the gunshop owner after the poor bastard left his helical-chambered Chimera there for who-knows-how-long to get it fixed.... the shop owner said "nah don't be so harsh on these Turkish guns, we've sold about 15 of the shotguns and the same number of the 223's, and have only had 4 of each I think back that wouldn't work, only probablytook a month or two to get them sorted out and replace the barrels and springs that were wrong"... Well that's crap.

I too have a Chiappa, but a 12g case-hardened model of the 1887 lever shotgun, just to be different at our farm gun shoots and to lighten the mood, and it's not made by HMAS, it's Italian. It hasn't a fault whatsoever, but it's solid steel and walnut.

[mchughcb]

Well if we are piling on Turkish guns the worst I've seen was a lever action pardus. After the 3rd time replacement I couldn't convince my mate the model was a lemon and he was better going back to his franchi . At least that never jammed.

[Fester]

The Templeton is the obvious choice for me.

QC as well as the fit and finish, the action, and they just handle and shoot well.

I have no real idea what the tactical ones are like to handle and shoot.
I just sort of like a wood shotty for some reason, but a normal plastic stock would make a decent field gun.

[NickRigby]

Fester,
Agree, for quality and reliability, the Templetons seem to be the pick of the Turkish guns. I have the T1000 20" blued and timber. I was selling it to buy the above mentioned Axor Bushpig, but my experience has put me right off them. Even after the recall and the latest 2.0 version, still seem to have serious quality assurance issues